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I've looked at the pictures and followed the directions. The dial is free wheeling and the knob in off position can be turned counterclockwise forever and not come off. Am I looking at the wrong pictures? Which Whirlpool is it most like? It has a few other problems. Timer maybe? Coupler maybe? I think that it could be worth fixing - if I can get the console open. Thank you!

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Remove screw 8 at each side, console flips up. To remove the knob, timer needs to be "off", then turn anti-clockwise. What problem(s) are you having?



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Thank you for the diagram! The washer is second-hand so the info about the problems is too. It won't spin or agitate. The timer doesn't advance. In fact the dial doesn't feel like it is attached to anything. If I push the timer knob in to off and turn it counterclockwise, I can turn it and occasionally it sorta clicks but doesn't seem to be coming off the screw. And then there's the part about the console front screws being rusted! Yes, right now I'd rather put some elbow grease in it instead of a lot of bucks into a new one. If possible. I appreciate your help.

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The models like these with the exposed screws are prone to the screws rusting. You may need to **gently** prise the console up in the vicinity of the screws and pop the screws out complete with the plastic inserts they screw into.

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By "gently" I guess you are suggesting that I not use my crowbar. Darn! Can I do the same with the timer knob since it doesn't want to do the right thing?

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By the sound of it, the timer shaft has become disengaged from the "innards". What you'll have to do is get a pair of long-nosed pliers or similar on the shaft from the inside, then turn the knob to unscrew. You can then remove the dial (part 17) and reveal two hex-headed screws, which hold the timer in place.



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Super! I really wish that I could use my ballpeen hammer and crowbar on some of this fixin' tho. Sigh. Maybe on the ice dispenser that I'm also working on! Thank you. I'll keep you posted.

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I've been trying to figure a way to pry up the console but haven't found anything other than a putty knife that will fit between the console and cabinet and it doesn't fit far. Would drilling out the screws work? How long are those screws? Thanks!

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You can try, they are over an inch long tho.  You cannot get them to turn???  You might have better luck breaking the plastic carefully the screws go thru and then you can set the console back down later and glue the plastic back together



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I've not been able to get them to turn yet they are so rusted. I've just given them a healthy dose of WD-40 and will wait a spell and try cleaning them up. Maybe then. The metal of the console gives more than the plastic tabs that wrap around from the side! I've thought of drilling the tabs off but don't know what is behind there or if that would help any. It is not obvious to me from the diagram. Thank you for your quick response.

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I cleaned up the screws enough to see that they are Phillips head. I tried turning them but the screwdriver turns and they don't. More rust comes off. Is there some trick to deepen the grooves so that the screwdriver can get hold?

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Might try a wire brush or sharp pointed fingernail file to dig the stuff out.  And make sure the phillips bit you are using is the right size for the size of the screw head.



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I tried using a metal fingernail file and staying in the lines but there is nothing there for the screwdriver to hold on to. How much of that 1.25" screw is holding the console in place? The screws go straight back and not at an angle, right? And if I decide to drill it out (ugh!) what size bit would you suggest? I appreciate your help!

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The screw goes back at about a 45 degree angle, you might be prying the bottom of the end of the console up with something and pulling the screw and holder up, then deal with removing the screw and re-inserting the plastic holder later.



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So the screw goes down and back at the 45 degree angle thru the plastic of the end cap, the metal of the console case, and then thru what - a tab on the washer cabinet? And then a plastic something? I am trying to picture things before I start prying.

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Reference #1 is the plastic screw holder that pops into the case under the console, the screw goes in at about a 45 degree angle, so prying will beak something, but we see lots of these washers where people have broken/cracked the corners of the consoles because the screw will not come out, can just glue it back together if all else fails. 



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Thank you! The diagram helps alot. I think that I have an old chisel that I'll be able to tap in under the console at the corners. All I want is a working washing machine. It doesn't have to look beautiful.

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Progress! I've gotten the console loose from the cabinet using a small metal chisel, BIG screwdriver, hammer, wooden block (leverage), and Ugly Tool. No exterior damage! I'm not going to tackle the knob and timer tonight. I'll sneak up on it tomorrow hopefully. Thank you!

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Question, if you push the timer knob in can you turn the timer by using the pointer dial behind the timer knob to the right?  And if there is a clear guard over the pointer turn the dial under this.  If the timer shaft is seperated from the cam inside of the timer you should be able to turn and set the timer using the pointer dial.



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The pointer dial spins freely too. I've not tried to unscrew the timer from the console yet to see how much room there is for needlenose pliers. Somehow removing that knob is the next step tho.

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