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 Posted: Wed Aug 17th, 2005 02:44 pm
   
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I know Costco selld the Kirkland brand in the big containers, but my wife hates that brand.  Other than that, I have seen Tide "HE", but only in smaller jugs.

 

And for the record, what exactly will happen and why if you use regular laundry soap in these machines designed for "HE" soap?

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 Posted: Wed Aug 17th, 2005 02:55 pm
   
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The best detergent is the Shaklee Basic L. We've used it for years and have lots of customers who've switched over to it with very good results. You can read more about it here:

http://fixitnow.com/2002/07/appliance-tip-of-day-your-detergents.htm



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 Posted: Wed Aug 17th, 2005 03:13 pm
   
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What will happen is oversudsing and poor rinsing. There is also a school of thought that this is causing some of the bearing failures we see on Friggidaire and Maytag front loaders.



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 Posted: Wed Aug 17th, 2005 04:18 pm
   
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Without going into too much detail about using HE and non-HE detergent, there ARE non-HE detergents that are low-sudsing.  Conversely, there are HE detergent that are high-sudsing.

Liquid Tide HE is available in 200 ounce containers(ones with a spigot) at Walmart, although it seems that the people on the gardenweb forum aren't too keen on Tide HE.

I bought three 100 ounce containers of Purex HE at the local supermarket when it was on sale for $2.99/ea(regular price was 5 bux) and it seems to work well, it is low-sudsing just like regular Purex.

Another HE detergent that people seem to like is Sears Ultra Plus HE detergent, you can buy the powder version in bucket-sized containers.

NickG, why is it that your wife hates the Kirkland HE detergent?  Or is she just not a fan of the Kirkland brand in general? 

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 Posted: Thu Aug 18th, 2005 03:25 am
   
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DB130, she swears that the Kirkland brand does not clean the clothes as well as the Tide.

IMHO, I also seem to notice a difference when she switched to Tide.

We'll try the other brands to. Time for a trip to Walmart.

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 Posted: Thu Aug 18th, 2005 04:39 pm
   
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I have three young children (ages 6, 3, and 1). The family produces a lot of laundry, and a lot of stains. We've noticed a difference between low-end detergent and the higher-end product, and it doesn't exactly correlate with price. We had a Speed Queen front loader (Horizon series) at our previous apartment, and the LG WM1812CW front loader now (a review forthcoming). We tried the Kirkland detergent in order to save money, but it DEFINITELY did not clean as well as Wisk, our regular brand. (Wisk sells an HE detergent that is probably 20-25% less expensive than Tide.) Thankfully, Costco will let you return such products for a refund, even after doing 10 loads or so.

I think we may give the Sears stuff a shot.

As for Shaklee, I can't say. They don't provide load information for the Basic L the Samurai likes (i.e., how many loads of laundry can a pound of Basic L be expected to wash). The Liquid L, at $50 (plus shipping) for 128 loads is $0.40+ per load, quite a bit more than the $0.15 for the Wisk we use now, or the $0.10 for the Sears stuff (assuming you buy the monster container for $25).

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dbiberdorf wrote:
As for Shaklee, I can't say. They don't provide load information for the Basic L the Samurai likes (i.e., how many loads of laundry can a pound of Basic L be expected to wash).

Ah, but read the label for use information-- the dose makes the difference.

For a front loader, you only use 1/8 of a cup of Basic L per load. For a top loader, you use 1/4 cup per load. Compare with the dosage of your store-bought ca-ca and do the math-- significant savings and a superior product. And it has a money-back guarantee.

Oh, I know, it ain't got no purdy label or a glitzy ad campaign, so how can it possibly be werf a shi'it? :bart:



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 Posted: Thu Aug 18th, 2005 05:14 pm
   
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Now, Samurai, surely you know that selling a package by weight (9 or 19 pounds) while giving a usage measurement by volume (fractions of a cup) provides no real way to determine the number of uses in the box, absent any density measurement (e.g., pounds per cup).

That's why I say, "It's tough to say." Shaklee doesn't give enough information to determine number of uses per box for the powder form Basic L detergent. For the Liquid L, they state 128 loads per $50 container.

Do YOU have more details as to how many washes one can expect from a 9 pound box of Basic L powder?

I've nothing against the "little guy" and simple packaging. What I'm opposed to is simple packaging and "little guy" claims being used to say you're better. There's not necessarily a relationship between the two things. It's also a bit unfair to characterize products produced by larger outfits as "caca" solely because they're produced by a larger outfit. Believe me, I feel qualified to assess the performance of laundry detergent. We use our share of it around here.

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dbiberdorf wrote:
Now, Samurai, surely you know that selling a package by weight (9 or 19 pounds) while giving a usage measurement by volume (fractions of a cup) provides no real way to determine the number of uses in the box, absent any density measurement (e.g., pounds per cup).

Au contrare, dbiber-pierre. Simply reduce everything to a common basis... actually two common bases, in this case. Watch me now: you know the weight of the commercially available stuff and you know their volumetric usage recommendations. The same information is given for the Shaklee Basic L. It's an apples to apples comparison. What's the problem?



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 Posted: Thu Aug 18th, 2005 08:07 pm
   
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Forgive my ignorance here, but I don't see where Shaklee provides an estimate of how many uses their box of powdered detergent is rated for, based on typical top-loader usage of 1/4 c. Assuming the Shaklee is as concentrated as claimed, it seems probable that the density is different from the competing brands at Wal-mart. One-quarter cup of Tide might very well weigh more or less than one-quarter cup of Shaklee Basic L. In the same vein, the link that explains how bad typical department store detergents are talks about how the Shaklee 9 pound box does as much as 4 boxes of Arm & Hammer. What size box of Arm & Hammer? It's a meaningless statement without that piece of information.

In any event, assuming usage can be calculated (and I still don't see how it can) based on the limited information (box weight and usage volume) Shaklee provides, why is the consumer expected to do this much work to figure out a cost per use?

If I'm simply being obtuse, perhaps you, Samurai, as a Shaklee beneficiary, could provide details of the calculation here, for public edification?

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 Posted: Thu Aug 18th, 2005 09:24 pm
   
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dbiberdorf wrote:
In any event, assuming usage can be calculated (and I still don't see how it can) based on the limited information (box weight and usage volume) Shaklee provides, why is the consumer expected to do this much work to figure out a cost per use?

You're not. Use it for a few or for an abundance of laundry loads. If you don't like it, for whatever reason, return it for a full refund, no questions asked.

Can you do that with Tide? Kirkland? Kibbles n' Bits?



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 Posted: Thu Aug 18th, 2005 11:36 pm
   
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I understand the satisfaction guarantee. But that's a separate issue from cost. It seems to me that the true cost of Shaklee's product is withheld until you actually order the box. The satisfaction guarantee does nothing to compensate me for my time, and, even after searching, I can't figure out how much shipping is (without completing an order), and whether it's refundable too.

Shaklee may be the greatest thing going, but the cost of that is fuzzy to say the least.

As I mentioned, I returned a partially used container of Kirkland's detergent to Costco for a FULL refund. The places I typically by detergent, like Wal-mart and Target, routinely take stuff back if the performance isn't up to snuff.

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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2005 12:01 am
   
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Well, you have my voucher for the product. If that's not good enough then, by the pot-bellied, bald-headed Buddha, don't buy it! Ain't no skin off my scrotilia.



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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2005 03:53 am
   
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Sheech, why cannot people just not go buy whatever works best for them, what matter what costs more or less per load.....keep it simple....



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 Posted: Fri Aug 19th, 2005 04:52 am
   
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Pegi, I agree. I've no axe to grind against Shaklee's product (or anyone else's). The Kirkland stuff would probably work fine for me if I didn't have so much watermelon, chocolate, water colors, marker, etc. to get out of my kids' clothes.

What I object to is the degree to which Shaklee and others (including Melaleuca and Staber) get a pass on having to demonstrate their claims and cost-effectiveness. Shoot, they even get defenders who claim unequivocably that all other products on the market (ahem) "suck".

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