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 Posted: Thu Nov 26th, 2009 12:59 am
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I thought I would start a new topic on this and see if there is anymore info out there on Tankless Water Heaters.  Has anybody had any exp. on these?

I have a 3 story, 1600sq ft condo with a shower on the 2nd and 3rd floor.  Less than year old LG Front load LCD Washer/Dryer and a GE SM Dishwasher I use a couple times a week.  Two people.

I'm a computer guy so I am not looking to install, but I have some gift cards for Home Depot coming to me and want to use them to offset the cost.  Just gotta find a decent installer.

Any thoughts or insight as to what brand or size I should be reading about?  Electric.

TIA, Rudy

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just my 2 cents : a tank type water heater will give your family 40 to 50 gallons of clean drinking water if your city system where to go down .if you or your town where to loose there electric for a few days you would be fine .... because of this and the high cost to buy and repair these heaters i will never own one .



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I have installed 2 tankless HW heaters one in my home and one in my mother-in-laws. In my mother-in-laws the pipeing alone was the same cost as the heater becuase you have to run a larger pipe for a long run from the gas meter to the heater. So this one will have a long payout. The one in my home did not need the large pipe. Both are working fine and we have seen a 1/3 reduction in gas costs in the year they have been installed. I will be installing 2 more at my sons home in the next few months. No hard to install and I am a computer guy also.

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Thanks for the reply, I thought this topic went dead.  I also wondered why there was not more hype about it.  We did lose power 2 weeks ago for 12 hours and I had to get up and take a shower, and I was thinking in the shower I was glad I didn't go for a tankless, but that happens maybe once a year for that kinda time, if that.

I am still up for doing it and it depends on money and when my current tank quits (it's almost 10 years old).  Sounds like I am willing it to quit.

Let me know how the other installs go and maybe we can talk on the phone sometime.  Thanks

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You best be investing those "savings" well as the eventual repair expense of the bloated control technology will eventually more than exceed any presumed savings, let alone covering additional installation expenses.
I have looked at several of these units, and though I have never serviced them, my observation is that they look to be equipped with some pretty pricey components.



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 Ill weigh in here for a moment. About once a week I get a call from some guy with a broken product he bought at some big box store or another, and he cant get any body to service it. Usually he had some family member from 100 plus miles away install it, usually WRONG, and now he wants some poor schmuck to come out and solve his problems, in warranty, for the princely sum of 85 bucks or so, IF he gets paid at all. No parts available, except from the mfr, no tech support, unless he wants to spend his day on hold only to have some surly "tech rep" ask him if it is plugged in.

Now,  I sell Rinnai, I purchase it from my local supply house who has a tech training lab, a full inventory of parts on hand 35 miles away. For that price, I help keep more than a few people employed in my community, along with my guys. I generally make 1100 dollars on the job before expenses, insurance,payroll and my 30 years experience and lincesing, not to mention 40,000 dollars worth of rolling equipment,tools and inventory. After all that, I walk away as owner of the company with about 300 bucks. For that, I am now forever responsible for service after the sale. If I cant keep it running, I will replace the unitat no charge. My wholesaler takes good care of me, and I take good care of my customers.

Go ahead, buy that tankless at lowes mart, or whatever, you contribute nothing to your local economy, and deserve what you get when, not if problems erupt.  Pretty soon well all be working at home depot and selling life insurance to each other. Only in America! 



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 Posted: Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 02:34 am
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Hello up there in Maine. I had to grab a Sam Adams and soak that in with this thoughtful Post. I am not sure if this is directly posted toward me, but I have gotten off the "Tankless" path since my electric crapped out for many hours recently and I was still able to take a nice long, hot shower.  I have since used the gift cards online and bought some nice kitchen stuff.

I own, with a partner, a computer business and we are a Union company that assembles desktops and laptops here in the US and our suppliers are in NJ and Mass.  All our support and installation are done here also.  We develop websites and software specific to the Unions from employees in KS, CA and WA.

Not promoting Union as much as "Keep it in America".  Sure, computer components are tough to get "US made" but we do what we can to keep what we do here and we do put food on the table for many US workers considering our small size.

Hopefully I didn't miss your point and thanks for the input.

Rudy

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telefunkenu47 wrote:  Now,  I sell Rinnai

What are the advantages of the Rinnai product vs. the Big box units?

Also, are they any special issues using propane? I'm currently using a 2 year old 100 gal electric. Got 6 people, 4 teenagers, in the house.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2010 05:58 pm
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 Hi Nick! Parts availability and tech support. The product line is subject to continuing improvements without changing the entire product line. Electronics are high quality, the company is a subsidiary of Hitachi industries, one of Japans largest. Tech manuals are trasnslated into proper english, tech training and support right here in Portland, Me. There are not alot of whores out there knocking the price down, wholesale prices are fairly standard. I like my wholesalers commitment to service.  I have not too many good things about the Bosch, both technical and parts. When I make a commitment to sell and install a product, I want to know that my supplier has made a commitment as well. This helps the industry in general, myself &  my valued customers in particular. 



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This is what I did.  (See attachment .) (Ignore the little wires.  I've got a temperature sensor connected to it.)

I've had two fail in three years.  Cost me $50 each time.

I love it.  I have three teenagers who like to take 30 minute showers.  I probably don't save any money, but the endless hot water is worth it to me.

I installed them myself. (Except for the wiring. I'm a chicksh*t when it comes to wiring.  I called in a professional.)

Attachment: TwinTitans.jpg (Downloaded 47 times)



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Not sure I like Diet MT. Dew, but you most likely don't like my favorite brews.  ;) Great post with the pic.  That would be part of a wiki on what forums are about.  Thanks for sharing what you did and how it works.

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Nice lookin job.Very Cool...



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 I know of two peoplewith tankless water heaters, 1 NG & 1 electric. Both are

happy with it, Tankless has been around since WWII, but not in US till about

6 yrs ago. Electric uses approx same KW as 40-50 gal tank water heater.

Considering one myself, just not sure which and NG not avail out here

except 2 mi straight down. :D



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Mikeypaw wrote:  I know of two peoplewith tankless water heaters,

how may people in the house ?

what capacity water heater ?

cost ?



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