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Posted: Mon Aug 21st, 2006 04:28 pm

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Greetings from just south of NH border!

Allow me to recap my adventure thus far:

Discover sour smell in freshly done laundry load

Discover Samaurai Appliance Repair Man

Adjust laundry habits to avoid soap scum and smelly goo buildup in washer

Buy agitator DAWG kit, spanner wrenches and dryer stuff from Samaurai

Run vinegar and baking soda through wash cycle

Smell still around

Remove cabinet and discover top of outer drum is black with smelly goo

Re-remove agitator

Use spanner wrench to remove nut

Inner drum does not readily lift out

Should I yank on it, or is there a smaht way to remove the drum?

By the way, great pics from your recent hiking trip! What kind of camera do you use?

Posted: Mon Aug 21st, 2006 05:03 pm

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Yank the spin basket up, is stuck on the drive block...clean all of that mold and mildew out then run hot bleach water thru the washer every month or so and use good quality power soap, less is better, and no liquid fabric softner...

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Posted: Mon Aug 21st, 2006 08:06 pm

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Thanks Pegi!

It was adhered to the shaft thanks to the scum. I will spare you the sound that the drum made when the "bond" between the shaft and the drum was broken. GROSS!

I am heading back to the store to pick up a few more Mr. Clean Magic Erasers. I am not sure if you have this posted somewhere else, but the Magic Erasers work great on inner drum soap scum (after I scaped off the big chunks with a razor blade).

Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 07:26 am

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I am stuck with the same problem. I tried to rock the basket, put oil on; using rubber hammer to bang on the block. I also tried to stick screw driver in that notch on the block and rotate the basket. Nothing seemed to help. It's firmly stuck. Am I missing something?

My whirlpool model is LSC8244BQ0. Don't know if that matters. My original problem was the foul smell after I came back from a 4 week vacation.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thx!

Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 01:01 pm

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Sorry to hear that!

First, did you get this part?

1021707 (Spanner nut wrench for Whirlpool/Kenmore, General Electric & Maytag inner tub lock nuts)

I had to whack the handle itself with a hammer.

Then I hit up and down the inner drum shaft for about 2 minutes yanking and rotating the drum as I went. Finally the scum let go.

The problem is that at the bottom of the inner drum, there is this plastic insert that acts as sort of a spacer allowing the drum to rotate on the shaft. Under the insert and along the shaft was about 5/16 of an inch buildup of the source of that smell.

When I finally got the drum off,

I used a scraper for the shaft,

a bottle washer for inner drum (after I took the plastic spacer thing out There is a metal ring that holds it tightly -Then there are 4 tabs that are visible inside the drum. Depress them and slide off)

And a bunch of magic erasers to clean off the soap scum

Smell is GONE!

Now, follow the advice posted here:

http://fixitnow.com/2003/09/mailbag-my-washer-stinks.htm

Let me know how it works out for you.

Posted: Thu Aug 31st, 2006 05:07 pm

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Thanks for the response. I'll work on the drum again tonight.

I passed that spanner nut stage (saga). Thanks for some of the messages I found on this board. I used a hammer and chisel to get it off. Very importantly, in case someone else is reading this message: I got it off by knocking the nut counter-clock wise (or left). I did see some other people saying the opposite direction, that lead me in the WRONG direction for a long time!

I notice towards the base of that center cone, there are 4 plastic inserts protruding from inside, see picture, do I need to do anything with those? (I tried and could easily push them in with my fingers).

BTW, here is the diagram for my model LSC8244BQ0 http://www.partselect.com/AdvancedModelSearch.aspx?ModelNum=LSC8244BQ0&mfgModelNum=&fkMfgID=3 It helps, but I mostly rely on people's message from this board.

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 02:49 am

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I whacked, turned and pulled for another 20 minutes, nothing budges. I even tried to use screw driver to pry the gap between the drive block and drum cone. I soaked the gap with oil last night.

I have had this washer since 94. May be it's stuck for good. Or is there something on the bottom that I need to remove? Is there a way to remove the drive block first before the drum? :headbang:

Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 03:03 am

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Those are what hold your lint filter in place, they shouldn't impede removal of the basket. Some of these will fight you all the way, you just have to persevere.

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 03:30 am

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Thanks to Mad Mac, I now know that this reference is for the lint catcher...

a bottle washer for inner drum (after I took the plastic spacer thing out There is a metal ring that holds it tightly -Then there are 4 tabs that are visible inside the drum. Depress them and slide off)

Keep banging away on the shaft. I used a regular hammer and tried to be gentle. The washer is about 20 years old I am told. Keep banging and yanking on the tub. I was afraid I might brake something too.

Once the drum gives and you remove it (it will -think positively..

tip the drum upside down and take the lint catcher off by depressing those tabs after you have removed the inner snap ring.

You will quickly ascertain where that smell is coming from.

Sorry it took all day to respond.

Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:04 am

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Thanks for all the encouragement. Finally my wife held the basket, I just hammered on the block. It was knocked loose. You can't imagine what we saw on the bottom... :shock:

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:05 am

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another view... Oh, Lord...

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:09 am

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and now we know where all that dirt goes - makes you wonder how it cleaned anything...good job sticking with it, I am sure it will be worth the pain

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:12 am

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Now I have created my own problem!

Remember I was pouring oil on the block last night. It all went between the inner drum and the outer drum. It sits on the bottom. The drum bottom is all black (you can see that in both photos). I can't separate the two. There is one philip type of plastic plug on the top of the baskset, but there is an imprint next to it that says the plug is unremovable!!!

Do I have to replace the whole basket? Can I separate the two layers and clean it out? I can also hear water rumbling inside the top rim. That can be future problem.

Last edited on Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:16 am by myfixit

Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:19 am

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I am not clear on what two layers you are trying to separate. You have an inner tub (the one you just removed) and an outer tub. The water noise you hear on the inner tub (wash basket) is a balance ring filled with water - it is supposed to sound that way.

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:31 am

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Thanks for the info, I thought that was some stale water not drained properly. The basket has two layers, inner one is porcelain, out one is plastic. The dark oil now sits on the bottom of the outer basket. You can see the blackened bottom.

Can I separate these two layers, clean out the baskets? I can see the parts diagram, it shows the basket as one thing.

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:38 am

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EEEEEWWWWWW! Yuckie!!!!! That spin basket is one assy, will just need to clean it as best you can with some de-greaser and whatever else might kill that thing that has it held hostage....might want to replace that filter.... :shock:

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:38 am

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MY BAD!!!! There was only ONE layer. Sorry. I have been fighting with this darn thing for too long, or that sticky stuff got into my head :yikes:

Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:43 am

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The inner drum that you removed has that water thingy on the top. That is not your problem. Don't try to pry it off.

The outer drum is the white plastic tub thing that you lifted the inner drum out of.

Unfortuantely, you do have to remove the plastic piece with the feathered edges that shows in your photo. That is not the outer drum. It is the lint catcher or filter that Mad Mac referred to and I explained how to remove earlier.

Romove it and clean the inside of the drum with a bottle washer. I cleaned the lint filter with a plastic knife. One "feather" at a time.

Then I cleaned the whole drum inside and out with about 2 boxes of Mr. Clean Magic Erasers. Then I attacked the white plastic outer drum with more erasers. Make sure you scrape down the shaft. I am sure it is gooooooey. It is supposed to be shiny metal...

Good Job!

Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 04:44 am

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Posted: Fri Sep 1st, 2006 05:09 am

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I moved the whole stinky thing outside. Will do a thorough clean job tomorrow. I also need to buy a new lint filter. I broke it while banging it on the groud. I don't miss losing that thing anyway.

A heck of experience for me. I'm all happy. Thanks again to you all!

Last edited on Fri Sep 1st, 2006 05:09 am by myfixit

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