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 Posted: Fri May 12th, 2006 06:45 pm
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I have to say that in the world of repair, I am remedially skilled at best.  Last year, I replaced the coupler on this washer ... with help from this forum.

Currently, my kitchen aid washer, Model KAWE560WWH1  Serial CA3103657, will fill, it drains, it spins, but it does not agitate.

From what I have read it may be the timer unit.  The page that I read from S.A.R.M. suggested that I get out the wiring graphic, and blow the dust off.  Perhaps bad contacts?  I don't know how to do that ...???

I am not really sure how to do that.  I opened up the top part of the washer, and I see the timer unit, but I can't figure out how to get it off.  Then once I did, I am not sure how I would test it?

I can find a new timer unit for $105.  That seems like a lot to spend on a 15 year old washer.  Especially if I am not sure that is the problem. 

Please oh wise ones, advise me.  Remember, you'll probably have to talk to me like a 4th grader, b/c I really have no clue what you're talking about most likely.

 

Clueless and lost,

Jeffiepoo aka Manure Spreader

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When it's not agitating, does it do anything? Any sights, sounds or smells?



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I don't hear the motor engaging at all.  No smells, but I do hear the timer unit.  My guess that it is the timer.  Not sure though.  I now have the timer out.  How do I test it?

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Is the "no agitate" on all cycles or only some? Again, just to clarify, any sounds (apart from the timer) when it's not agitating? In order to fully test and diagnose this, you're going to need a meter and your wiring diagram. Post the diagram on here and we can walk you through.



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I have tried it on all cycles, and none of them work.  I do not hear anything, or smell anything (other than the detergent).

I don't have a meter currently, but am always looking for an excuse to buy a new tool!

I have no reason to think this, but any chance it could be a motor?  Is there one for agitation, and another for spin?

What about the dogs?  I have read something about them as well?

I am a hopeless little grass hoper ... who needs help!  What great timing too ... my daughter has lice, so we are doing lots and lots of laundry these days.

Jeff

PS  Not sure how to get a pic of the wiring diagram ....????   What I see looks like the picture that you posted.

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Wiring diagram is usually stuck to the back panel inside the washer.

Our illustrious leader has provided this handy guide to accessing the inside of your washer:

http://fixitnow.com/2003/08/mailbag-opening-whirlpool-or-kenmore.htm



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One motor for all cycles & functions, sounds like you have lost power to the motor, check your wiring harmess and the plug on the motor, may have come loose....did your washer agitate with the lid open? If not you could have a broken lid switch if it would not agitate with the lid open.  You will need to see where you have lost voltage to the motor...



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I just read that it will not agitate but will drain and spin, that means the lid switch is good....I would be checking the fill level switch, may not be giving power back to the timer to let the agitate cycle start, known problems with the water level switch doing this...



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This is for your model excpt has a 0 on the end not a 1....may not be for yours but does show a wiring diagram.



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Here is the service pointer relating to this problem....cannot be sure it is the cause of your lack of agitation tho...



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One test you can do for this....your timer has a "dry agitate" test position which bypasses the water level switch. This is about two minutes from the end of the regular/heavy wash cycle. Set your timer there with the machine empty and see what happens.



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Thanks for all of the ideas everyone.   You don't know how much it means to a person who cannot afford a new washer at this point.

This unit does normally agitate with the lid open ... but of course nothing now.

I tried the dry agitate, and it did nothing.  All that I could hear was the timer.  I checked all of the plugs on the things up by the control panel.  I have not gone underneath for anything yet ... and kind of hoping to avoid that. 

The wiring diagram that pegi posted looks like the same for mine.

Not sure what to do?  Do I need to by an ohm meter?  Voltage meter?  I am clueless.

Should I just try replacing the timer unit (assuming that i can return it without issue)?

What are the chances that would fix the issue?

 

Awaiting the advice of the wise ones.

 

J

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You need a multi meter or volt meter/stick, need to see where you have lost voltage to the motor..



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Pegi et al ...

I am trying to understand what the possibilites are here.  If I check with a meter, what are the possibilities that could be broken.  We know it's not the motor, right?

If there is a good likelyhood that the timer is broken, I want to know if I can just replace the timer unit (if I can just return the timer unit if that doesn't fix my problem). 

If there are a number of possibilities, then I won't do that.  Any thoughts?

Thanks,

J

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J, this is where the fun begins-- from this point on, you'll be troubleshooting with your multimeter and the washer's wiring diagram. If you need help using the diagram, post a copy here and we can walk you through it.



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When the washer is full of water with the fill level switch satisifed and it is sitting there dead, you need to see if you have voltage to the timer between v=Vilot and T=Tan.  If you do not have voltage to the timer at these two wires your fill level switch is bad. Start there..



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ahhhhhhh

keeps telling me that my pic file is too big.  It's 386kb, and it tells me that the max size is 488 kb

Now I am agitated by technology.

Anyway, if it will post, here's a pic of my wiring diagram.  I just bought a multimeter, as I was instructed to do.  I have no idea what I do with it and the diagram. 

Please walk me throught like I was a 4th grader.

 

Peace,

 

Jeff

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Here ya go

Attachment: WD1.jpg (Downloaded 8 times)

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OH yeah ... here's this too

 

Attachment: wd2.jpg (Downloaded 53 times)

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Same as I posted to, do this first.

When the washer is full of water with the fill level switch satisifed and it is sitting there dead, you need to see if you have voltage to the timer between v=Vilot and T=Tan.  If you do not have voltage to the timer at these two wires your fill level switch is bad. Start there..



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