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Whirlpool (Direct-Drive) Two Speed Automatic Washer

Model # LSR8433KQO    Serial # CL4237098

Washer fills, agitates & drains but won't spin.  Sometimes when

suppose to go in "high speed" it won't spin unless I give it a spin.

Spinning is slow & not up to speed.  I turn the knob to spin again

and hear a "clunk" sound and it starts spinning up to high speed.

Drive coupler is good.  Not sure how to tell if drive block is stripped

out.  Also, there's some black gunk inside where clutch is located. 

Purchased washer May 1, 2002.

 

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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2006 09:27 pm
   
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Sort of sounds like a tranny problem, see if the clutch is spinning, if it is the tranny should be.  5 year warranty on transmission...



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Tranny??  Lower part of clutch that's on floor or upper

part of clutch that's still attached to bottom of washer? 

I have the washer unplugged and taken apart.  How

do I check to see if the clutch is spinning?

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 Posted: Mon Jan 9th, 2006 03:25 am
   
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Clutch is above the transmission, transmission is the big gray thing below the clutch, you will have to have the washer assembled and run it with the case off and see if the clutch is spinning when the washer should be, jump the lid switch to run the washer with the case off



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Pegi,

First of all, making sure you know that I'm inexperienced here

therefore, I'm shaking like a leaf.  The clutch does spin but 

agitator splines of the the gearcase  turns really slow while

on high spin cycle.  Is that normal?  Which part is the "tranny"

that should be spinning if the clutch is spinning? 

 

 

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The spin tube that the spin basket is attached to....the agitator shaft should not be moving in spin except for the fact the force of the spinning clothes will take it around..this might be normal..



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Pegi,

O.K., the clutch spins but the inner tub won't spin at all.

 So, is the problem the gearcase assembly?

 And if it's the gearcase assembly, do I go ahead and

notify the Whirlpool company for a new replacement?

Also want to thank you for being very helpful.

 

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Yes, tranny has a 5 year warranty, you will pay labor, call a WP authorized company..



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Swannie wrote:
Pegi,

O.K., the clutch spins but the inner tub won't spin at all.



NO, NOT a gearcase problem if the silver clutch housing above the transmission is spinning.

If the outer clutch bell is spinning but the basket won't spin then it will be one of the below problems:
1) Something stuck between outer tub and spin basket.
2) Drive block stripped out.
3) Clutch pads worn or clutch oiled from leaking upper seal.



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"Clutch pads worn or clutch oiled from leaking upper seal."


Where do I look if it is either one of the above? 

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Do you see any obvious signs of oil dripping from transmission or any oil on the inside of the cabinet?

If not then to check and/or also shim the clutch to tighten it you whould have to remove the agitator which will allow you to remove the transmission.

Check for a stripped out drive block first, by removing the agitator you will be able to see if the drive block is bad or not.

One other possible problem that I forgot to include is a broken brake cam release lever which would also require the transmission removal to check.



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"Do you see any obvious signs of oil dripping from transmission or any oil on the inside of the cabinet?" No.


"Check for a stripped out drive block first, by removing the agitator you will be able to see if the drive block is bad or not." From pictures on your website, the block drive is sitting where the tabs/notches are.  How do you tell if it is stripped out???


"One other possible problem that I forgot to include is a broken brake cam release lever which would also require the transmission removal to check."  Where is this brake cam lever located?

"Clutch pads worn or clutch oiled from leaking upper seal."  Could you please post pictures of what a new clutch pad looks like as well as what a worn out one looks like?

I have the transmission with the basket drive tube sitting right next to me (washing machine is downstairs) and have compared parts with pictures from your website.  I did not find any broken parts or anything that was missing. 


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Also, after I removed the basket drive tube, a drop or two of oil leaked out. There weren't any signs of oil on the basket drive tube.  Also, inside the lower "bell" of clutch there is a small amount of black gunk.  Is that normal?

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the black gunk inside the clutch

do you mean inside the silver bowl with the clutch pads?

if so that should be cleaned. any oil or anything at all will not allow it to work properly. the pads are the white postage stamp size things mounted on a greyish metal ring. on the ends theres a spring. use some pliers to compress it and take it out. maybe use some diluted degreaser to clean the pads and inside of the bowl.



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Swannie wrote:
"Check for a stripped out drive block first, by removing the agitator you will be able to see if the drive block is bad or not." From pictures on your website, the block drive is sitting where the tabs/notches are. How do you tell if it is stripped out???


If the two metal tabs are flush with the top of the aluminum drive block and you can see that they mate with the matching notches in drive block that that should be ok.


"One other possible problem that I forgot to include is a broken brake cam release lever which would also require the transmission removal to check." Where is this brake cam lever located?


Brake cam release lever is the whitish plastic piece on the bottom of the basket drive just below the brake shows. When the clutch band and spring lock in and engage that lever it release the brake letting the basket spin. If the end of the lever is broken off the clutch band can't release the brake.


"Clutch pads worn or clutch oiled from leaking upper seal." Could you please post pictures of what a new clutch pad looks like as well as what a worn out one looks like?


No pictures to show you, there maybe some on Samurai's site but you would have to look for them.

The few drops of oil when you removed the transmission and basket drive is normal. Usually there is some oil up in the tube to keep the bearings lubed.

I would suggest that you take the clutch apart, (remove inner clutch band and spring), and clean it all real good with a brake degreaser from the auto parts store. Then break any glaze on the pads and also in the clutch bell, (the silver outer clutch housing), with emery cloth.

Also, I found that if a clutch is just slightly worn I can take a thin washer the same size as the spring end cap and put it in one end cap between the spring and cap and this will give the extra tension needed to renew the clutch or at least test things to see if it corrects your problem.

NOTE: it has to be a thin washer only about 1/16" thick or you won't be able to get the clutch band to compress far enough to reinstall.



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"I would suggest that you take the clutch apart, (remove inner clutch band and spring), and clean it all real good with a brake degreaser from the auto parts store. Then break any glaze on the pads and also in the clutch bell, (the silver outer clutch housing), with emery cloth."  The brake cam lever is not broken.  After cleaning the clutch pads with brake degreaser, I put it back together to see if problem was solved.  The clutch bell spins but the inner tub still won't not spin.  Now what?


 

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Did you try to turn the tub when you had the transmission out?

With the transmission out, take hold of the white plastic brake release cam lever and turn it to see it the brake releases and try to turn it from there.

When you turn the cam to release the brake the tub will drop down to the bottom of the outer tub, about 1/2" to 3/4", if it doesn't try to drop then there is something stuck between the spin basket and outer tub.

When you try to turn it by hand keep the brake/basket drive assembly pushed up so the spin basket won't be rubbing on the bottom of the outer tub and stopping it from turning, it would help to have a helper turn the spin basket from the top while you hold the brake release to make sure nothing is binding up.

Do you have digital camera, if so how about a picture of the drive block, you may have a problem with the drive block and think it is ok if you don't understand what you are looking for.



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No, I don't have a digital camera.  *Sigh*  I have the transmission and the basket drive/brake assembly in a box to take to an authorized Whirlpool service technician to look at it and tell me what parts I need to replace.  Good or bad idea?  :?

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Couldn't hurt, as long as they aren't going to charge you for just a quick look. If they want to charge you then it would be best that the whole machine is back together and brought in complete.

You might have something obvious that a trained set of eyeballs will tell you right away, there's your bad part.



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Just an update.....

I took the transmission and the basket drive/brake assembly in a box to an authorized Whirlpool service technician to look at it and they wouldn't give me the time of day.  (Very rude).  :(  Found someone that repaired the transmission by replacing the seal cover and shaft seal. (The  lower "bell" of clutch had grease inside it which came from the transmission.)  I put the washing machine back together and have been doing laundry all week-end.  No more soggy clothes.  :D

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