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Kenmore dryer possessed - help!  Rating:  Rating
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 Posted: Mon May 2nd, 2005 09:28 pm
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Ah...apologies, I hadn't noticed that you'd already had the outlet replaced, needs roof leak investigated. As our illustrious leader states, we need to treat the cause rather than the symptom.



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I have someone coming this week to check the shingles for anything loose.  If they do find some loose, and fix them, should I still have someone tear out the sheetrock, just in case?

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One obvious question that I feel has not been asked is this:
How far from the dryer outlet is the washer drain? If the drain tube is slightly restricted and is near, there may be some overflow (possibly inside the wall even) that could be the culprit. I had a problem a few months ago when a porrly soldered water valve broke loose and started leaking. I had to remove a section of drywall and do some fast torch fu in order to get She Who Must Be Obeyed to stop asking "When are you going to turn the water back on??". If there is water present, there must be a source; in a laundry room the logical suspect is the washer or its' supply. Thing like this aren't supposed to happen, but...:yikes:

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When the electrician was here, he pulled out both the washer and the dryer, and checked it out.  he didn't find any type of water source from the washer.  he even checked my vent on the dryer, to make sure it wasn't clogged up.  He was pretty thorough, probably because his wife is a good friend and I could make his life miserable if I wanted to.  :);)

Anyway, I don't think that's the source.  here's where I'm really starting to get frustrated.  My roofing guy is reluctant to come out and get on the roof, because he says that, I had a leak, I would know it.  the electrician doesn't want to put in another outlet or tear out the sheetrock to dry anything out, until the roof is checked.  His theory is, that if there is a leak, fixing it isn't going to work because I'll be screwed as soon as it rains again.

My roofing guy wanted to know if there is a wurge of power to the dryer when it turns on or off?  he's thinking that, if so, maybe that surge is what's throwing the breaker and shorting the outlet?  I don't think that could be it, but I told him I'd ask.

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cathy4328 wrote: I told you it was bizarre.  Almost reminded me of the ecto stuff from Ghostbusters.  That's why I think it's possessed...

 

Also, and this was very strange, can't remember if I've said this or not.  The first time it blew, the stuff was sticky and wet to the touch  which is why my electrician friend thought that soap had gotten on it.  The second time - dry as can be.
I've seen this slime once and it was due to a broken liner on a hot water heater, any pipes running above the outlet that could be leaking(ozzing)

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Does the hot water heater need to be near the washer/dryer?  the heater's in the basement, and the dryer's on the 2nd floor of the house?  Sorry if I sound stupid...

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green on ground is from water or moisture causing tarnish if you will, need to know where it is coming from

Replacing the recp. and it does it again?  

Remove the recpt. from the wall and see if water is present in the recept. box in the morning.

 

Good way to tell if water is there tomorrow is to put some tissue paper into the box and if it is damp or wet it will show you, has it been raining a lot lately? still gut feeling is that water is getting in the wall from some where:banana:

 

 

 

 



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the outlet first blew on Friday, it had rained Monday and part of Tuesday the week before.  Not very hard, but it did rain.  I'll take the outlet out tomorrow and try putting the paper in there, see what happens.

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You should remove the sheetrock from floor to ceiling between the two framing studs (2x4's) where that outlet is located. Unless it's very obvious, roof leaks are very hard to pinpoint from on top of the roof. It helps tremendously if you can see where it's getting into the house. Do you have access to the attic? If so, take a flashlight up there and have a friend spray the roof with a water hose. Because the leak is in the middle of the house the water will need to leak through the attic first and you should be able to see a drip.

There should be a plumbing vent stack poking out of the roof near that laundry room. Around that stack is a black rubber boot. I've seen some situations where that boot pulls away from the stack leaving a gap. The rain gets into that gap and follows the vent stack right down into the house. Then, it can drip onto other items in the walls and ceiling until it's finally noticeable to you.

If there is no roof leak you'll most likely be able to figure out the exact cause of the water if you remove the sheetrock. As others have said, that water's coming from somewhere.

Another reason to remove the sheetrock is to let the stud bay dry out thoroughly to prevent mold growth. If mold is already growing use a bleach/water solution to kill it. Be sure to do this job thoroughly.

And, the green may be caused by oxidation of the copper wires which may mean you'll need to do a replacement of a section of damaged wires.

Finally, please don't turn that breaker back on until you're absolutely sure this problem is 100% resolved. You could burn your house down if the short happens in the wall next time.

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I was trying to prevent ripping out the sheetrock unless I had to, but your advice makes it sound like I'll have no choice.  The vent for the dryer actually travels down, then straight for about 25 feet to the outside of the house, so I doubt that this is the root of the water.

 

And I have no intention of doing anything with that circuit breaker until I know this is fixed.  I realize how lucky I was the last time, trust me.

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OK I'm going to go out on a limb here with a possible solution.

 Do you have any CHILDREN in the house that could be squirting

FABRIC SOFTENER  or LIQUID DETERGENT in the OUTLET ????

I saw Dennis The Menace, and having been a child myself,

I know sometimes their little brains come up with the most amazing things to do that defy

any kind of logic..:yikes:

The Wizard Of Odds!

 

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I have a daughter, she's 3, but there is absolutely no way she could get to the outlet.  It's back behind the dryer, with no access to it whatsoever.  thanks for trying, though.

here's where we finally ended up with this saga.  My roof guy went up into my attic during a major downpour, figuring this was the best time to find a leak.  Bone-dry everywhere.  Walked the entire length of my house twice.  Nothing.

So, my electrical guy came back over, and checked out the inside of the outlet.  Bone-dry, nothing.  So, we installed a new outlet, with water-proof tape on all circuits, and also put a new cord on the dryer, in case the dryer plug was the actual culprit.  It's been almost a month now, and we're still drying away.  I don't know what the actual original problem was, but something we did, fixed it.

Thanks to all of you for your help and ideas!  This place is great.

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Cathy,

I don't mean to throw a monkey wrench in things :huh:, but...are you sure that you fixed it?   Is your washer discharge line in a recessed wall box w/ the water supplies?  If it were the washer discharge line overflowing that caused the original problem (i.e sharing the same or similar wall space w/ the 220v line), your box would have been dry at this time since (I am assuming since no mention to the contrary) that w/o the dryer you most likely weren't using the washer...ergo no water source.  Now that everything is "waterproofed" it may not be getting into the dryer receptacle, but still leaking.  Or not.  Washing machine discharge lines clog for odd reasons, and the clog may have resolved and never show again... but if I had 220v mixing w/water/soap... I'd wanna be damn sure.

Just My .02

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I am NOT the expert - hence my call for help.  However, the washer was still in use through this whole thing - I'd wash at home, then drive to the laundromat to dry.  So far, still no problems with either the washer or the dryer...

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Drew, why on earth are you posting on a thread that died months ago???  :?



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Cathy,

Sorry, didn't mean to be alarmist... just have seen it happen too many times where the sypmtoms mystically disappear but the "problem" has just evolved.

If you had been using the washer the whole time then that blows my "theory"... glad it's been working well for you.

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Pegi,

"Drew, why on earth are you posting on a thread that died months ago???  :?"

Cuz it was a topic linked to on the Master's newsletter from July (IIRC) and I hadn't got a chance to read it until now.  It peaked my interest, plus it appeared, as I read the posts, that the problem mystically resolved itself.  I do maintenance for a living and when problems mystically resolve themselves there's a reason... and sometimes that reason is that the "problem" changed, not that it went away... guess my curiosity got the better of me.  Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, sorry.

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Hey, no feathers ruffled, m'man. Pegi was just axin' cuz she was curious, dontcha know. I was kinda wondering myself how folks find these older threads and you done told me! Mucho domos!



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