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Hi,

We have a Maytag Performa (PYE2000AYW).  Tonight, it wouldn't start to spin.  It would just hum when the control knob was pushed in, and after awhile, wouldn't even do that.

I took the top and front covers off, and we found a lot of dust/lint in the vent to the motor, so we vacuumed and pulled all of that out.

After closing the machine back up again, we could then get it to spin. 

However, we are noticing that if we run the machine for awhile, and then stop it (e.g., after a load is done), we can't get it to spin again unless we wait awhile.  It just hums when we push the control knob.  But, if we wait for awhile, it does work again.

I'm assuming that it's not being able to spin is because it's warm, and letting it sit for awhile, it cools down, and then it can work again, but I can't figure out why.

Can anyone here suggest what the problem might be, or what to look for?

Thanks!

Jim

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Sounds like you have a motor that is going bad, heating up and cutting out on its internal overload.



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Pegi,

Thanks for the reply.

If it is the motor overheating, why is the machine able to run for its full cycle with a normal/full load and not die during that? 

It's only if I (for example) open the door after it's been running for awhile, and then try to re-start it, that it would spin.  If I wait awhile after that, it'll start working again.

I'm thinking that something that I can't see by just opening the top/front is making it harder than normal for the motor to get going?

With this machine, do you know if it's possible to pull off the back cover to see what is going on there?

Thanks again,

Jim

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Your motor is overheating for some reason, either it is going bad or something is dragging it down or your air flow is blocked.  do you have good air flow from the vent of the dryer?  Can you turn the drum to the left by hand? If yes to both of these is probably the motor. If not take the dryer apart to see what is dragging the drum and check the air flow from the dryer and to the outside.



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This will help you take the dryer apart....



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Pegi,

I haven't had a chance to open the machine up again yet, but I was wondering...  Is it possible that if the dryer vent (or whatever you call it) going to the outside of the house is clogged, that this would cause the symptoms that we're seeing?

The laundry room is away from the outside wall in our house, and I'm thinking that if the vent is maybe not totally opened, that would cause the motor to get hotter than it would if it was getting vented fully.

Then, when we stop the dryer, the motor temperature would rise, because there's no airflow.

Then, when we try to start the dryer again, the motor won't spin because it's too hot.

Just thinking here....

Jim

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Yes, clogged dryer vents can cause all sorts of problems, from long dry times to overheated motors.  Remove the house vent from the dryer and run it with this disconnected for a few loads and see if the problems return.



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Hi,

Sorry to have not mentioned this before, but I forgot that when we were working on the machine last night, the vent hose had fallen off the back, and we had found something that looked like the following, on the floor, BEHIND the dryer:

http://www.partselect.com/xq/aspx/Inventory.76508/qx/PartDetail.htm?SourceCode=1

It's listed as a "blower wheel clamp".

Now I'm wondering if it's possible that part could have gotten sucked through the dryer, and just fell out of the vent hose when the vent hose became disconnected.

Is that clamp suppose to hold the blower wheel on? 

And, if the clamp is missing, maybe the blower wheel is not spinning ==> causing the motor to get hot?

Jim

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P.S.  That website also lists a retaining ring:

http://www.partselect.com/xq/aspx/Inventory.69642/qx/PartDetail.htm?SourceCode=1

How do the clamp and retaining ring mount relative to each other?  Do they both go onto the motor shaft, with the retaining ring first then the clamp?

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Hi,

Just got back and opened up the machine.  The retaining ring is on the shaft, and I can see now how the clamp is suppose to be installed.  The missing clamp doesn't seem to prevent the blower wheel from turning though, so I don't think that it (missing clamp) was/is the problem.

We're going to try to blow out the vent to the outside now, and see if that helps things.

Jim

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The clamp goes onto the blower wheel and the retainer goes onto the shaft of the motor in front of the blower wheel, I would be checking for a wollowed out blower wheel first....  :)



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Blower wheel should have a D shaped flat on the inside, bet it is rounded out....



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Pegi,

The hole in the blower wheel still seems to be ok, and turning the blower wheel does cause the drum to turn (very slowly), so I think that is ok.

We blew out the vent and also ran the dryer for awhile without being attached to the vent.  It seemed to start ok, even after running for awhile. 

Machine is back together again, and we'll see how it goes.

Thanks for all of your patience and answers to my many posts!

Jim

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Quite welcome, I sure would be looking real close to that blower wheel tho, sure is odd the clamp was off, unless someone replaced the blower and did not re-install the clamp.



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Pegi,

Will do re. checking the blower wheel more closely. 

The machine has never been serviced since we bought it several years ago, so the only thing I can think of is that it wasn't installed securely at the mfr.

BTW, when I was looking at the blower wheel in the machine, there's a kind of gray metal fin there.  It doesn't look like it's a part of the blower wheel itself.  Is that normal?  I haven't been able to figure out what that is...

Thanks.

Jim

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That fin is attached to the front cover of the blower housing.....I could never figure out what it was for either. :(

If that clamp is off, the blower wheel won't be secure on its shaft, and will eventually wear out.



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Shows Ref. # 22 to be a  inlet guide vane, guess helps direct air flow.....



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Mac and Pegi,

Thanks for the info re. the vane.

Re. our dryer, it's doing the same thing again.

When cool, starts and runs fine.

If stopped while running for awhile, when we try to start it, it hums/buzzes but doesn't spin.

If we let it alone for awhile, it starts again.

I want to try to remove the drum, to look under it (check the rear rollers, etc.), but I'm worried that I won't be able to put the belt back on, since it seems you can't get through the rear panel on this machine?

I'm assuming removing the drum consists of:

1) remove the belt

2) Pull the drum up and out

But how to do the reverse, since the pulley, etc. are under the drum?

Thanks,

Jim

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You would be saving yourself alot of trouble if you would just listen to what Pegi told you, "You have a motor going bad". Then only thing that is going to fix your problem is to replace the motor.

Most likely have bearing/bushings seizing up when they heat up. Since the motor is running it can overcome this excess drag until you stop the dryer then try to restart it can't get the drum to start from a stop after the motor bushings are heated and beginning to seize.



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Willie,

Thanks for the post.  I appreciate your comments. 

I guess that, from my standpoint, I keep *hoping* that it's not the motor, because if it is the motor, that seems to cost like 1/3 of the cost of a new machine.  Since we don't really know for sure (yes, I acknowledge that everybody thinks it is), if we go ahead and buy a new motor, and still have the same problem, then we'll still be in the same place.

So, at least for me, it's a dilemma.

I do really want to try to fix this myself, so having said all of that, to get to the motor, I think I am going to have to remove the drum and belt, and as mentioned in my last post, I'm having a hard time picturing how to put the belt back on, since there doesn't seem to be any way to access the pulley, etc. from the back, and there's not room coming through the front, especially with the motor, blower, etc. blocking the right side.

I thought about it a bit last night, and I'm thinking that we need to put the belt on the pulley, etc., before putting the drum back in, and then spread the belt so that we can shove the drum back in. 

Is that how it's done?  If not, how do you all get the belt back on after removing it and the drum?

Thanks,

Jim

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