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Samurai Appliance Repair Man
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Posted: Fri Oct 28th, 2005 01:11 |
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Thanks for the update on the washer. And hang tough in your fight with the cancer. 
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Posted: Mon Mar 20th, 2006 02:38 |
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Hello everyone!
I'm new at this so forgive me if I'm repeating anything.
I have an ASKO 10505 washer and it too has stopped agitating and spinning. The repairman I had come by said the motor needs to be replaced. He did not pull the motor out - he only tried to run the machine through the cycles. The tub fills and drains, but all you hear are some very slight clicks when the drum should be moving. Also, when I initially loaded the clothes, I noticed that the drum was spinning somewhat freely and it was making a "zzziiiing" sound. The repairman says he would charge me $165 (labor only) to replace the motor, and I could by the motor directly myself. I can buy the motor locally for $189 - but I really like the posted info I read about the replacing the brushes.
Where do I find the diagrams to try and fix this myself?
Also, when it rains it pours! I have a 7005 dryer that is making a lot of high pitched squeals (intermittently) and the repairman said this is probably the motor getting close to failing. Any suggestions about whether or not this is right?
If it is possible the motor is getting ready to fail - I'd rather replace it now rather than battle with unstacking it from the top of the washer again later (they are in a small closet). The cost of a new motor is $190 and the labor I've been quoted to replace it is $175. Can I do this myself too????!!!!
Probably more importantly, does it make sense to fix these two given their age - almost 10 years old? I'm thinking yes - but I'm open to comments. Other than having to have a belt replaced on the washer last May, I haven't had any problems with either the washer or dryer. My only complaint is the capacity of the washer. We now have a 3 year old - and there is definately more laundry!
Thanks!
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Posted: Mon Mar 20th, 2006 15:44 |
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Hi, Liza,
You don't need diagrams to fix this. Just follow the directions above that were given to me by Kiwi Nadian. Then contact http://www.APDepot.com. They have all the Asko parts CHEAP. Good Luck
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 06:27 |
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Thanks for you help! Before I run off and buy the brushes, I want to make sure I shouldn't be buying a voltage meter to test the motor first. The Samarai had asked you about the sound the motor made & I want to clarify something.
He wanted to know if you were getting voltage to the motor but the motor just sat there "growling", or if there was no voltage at all. You had said there was noise. Could you tell me what kind of noise? I'm hearing an electrical humming (in addition to the pump pumping water in & out) - but no "growling."
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Posted: Tue Mar 21st, 2006 16:32 |
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| OK. Take the motor out first. It's really easy to do. Then follow the directions above. Don't buy a meter. If it is the brushes, buy two-one for each side. The noise I heard wiyh my washer was the same as yours-humming and then clicks. The tub also emptied and filled.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24th, 2006 01:34 |
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Hi - it's me again....I just installed the new brushes, and the cycle & spin are working - but the machine is giving a fairly high pitched whine. Did your's do that for a while? I wondering if maybe I put the brushes in upside down so the angled side is the wrong way.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24th, 2006 15:48 |
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| Yeah, it was kinda a high sound for about 2 washes.
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Posted: Sat Mar 25th, 2006 23:56 |
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I have a 10.5 year old Asko 10504 washer that has stopped spinning and agitating (except for me and my wife, to us it is very agitating). This motor is its 3rd one. Original lasted 5yrs 67 days and was replaced under 5 yr waranty (had to complain alot to get that). The second and third each lasted only about 3 yrs.
I opened this motor up and found that the internal brushes were all but gone. I was told that a brush kit was not available. Not wanting to spend another $300 (on what has become a $1800 machine) I brought the motor to a repair shop and bought slightly oversized brushes, sanded them down to fit and soldered them in myself. Unfotrunately the motor still won't run despite getting voltage. A continuity test of the windings and the armature were good. Any other ideas?
What is really annoying is how well designed these machines are to allow simple repair but a brush kit isn't available! Is a schematic for this motor available (with specifications) so I can test the rest of the conductors and such? I'm very close to junking this machine and never going back to Asko! (Sorry about the venting!)
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 00:09 |
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| Hi, it's me again. I had a thought shortly after my initial post. Can anybody tell me if the motor for the Asko 10505 (with external brushes) will fit and work in the 10504? These motors spin so fast that they eat brushes so if I could change out the motor with one that has replaceable brushes I might just keep the machine! I can deal with $35 every 3 to 4 years but not $300! TIA.
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Samurai Appliance Repair Man
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 06:23 |
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Here are links to pictures of the two motors. The first link is your motor, the second for the 10505. Open 'em in two browsers and compare the pics:
http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=154&N=763850
http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=154&N=1063696
Oh my, that's not a good fit at all, is it?
I think you're seeing why they abandoned that motor when they came out with the 10505.  Last edited on Sun Mar 26th, 2006 06:23 by Samurai Appliance Repair Man
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 06:55 |
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Hi,
Thanks for the pics. Just thought I'd let everybody know that my custom brushes worked! Initially they didn't so I took the motor apart again and found that I left one of them just a tiny bit too wide and once the holder was secured it couldn't slide and make contact with the comutator. A few more strokes on the sandpaper and, VOILA! This little $34 exercise proves that ASKO should supply the brush kit rather than requiring people to buy an entire new motor just because the brushes have worn out. I wonder if the service people know this dirty little secret?!
I will be calling ASKO customer service on Monday to rip them a new ASKHOLE about this! If this is such a problem why not re-design the motor so the case is the same but the brushes are replaceable like my table and circular saws! Didn't they expect that a 15,000 rpm motor would wear out the brushes?! Sheesh!
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 16:42 |
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Don't get so upset. If you had called Asko they would have directed you to the above AP Depot site. The brushes there cost $17.00 apiece.
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Samurai Appliance Repair Man
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Posted: Sun Mar 26th, 2006 16:46 |
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Tom and Donna wrote:
I will be calling ASKO customer service on Monday to rip them a new ASKHOLE about this!
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Posted: Thu Mar 30th, 2006 06:10 |
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I think that you might be mistaken. The AP Depot site lists no parts for ASKO model 10504 washer, nevermind a brush kit for the motor in this model. I'm upset because this machine cost about $1,100 ten years ago to replace a 20 year old Kenmore that still ran but had a leak in the outer tub. It would be on its 4th motor if I had decided to believe the local shop and ASKO. In actuallity all three failed motors only needed brushes. Imagine that, a 15,000 rpm motor wears out brushes!
When I asked my local retail/repair shop (where the washer was purchased) they said that a brush kit was not available for this motor and that the motor would need to be replaced.
The most annoying thing of all is the motor was designed to allow for easy replacement of the brushes, needing only to remove 4 long machine screws to open the motor and remove the windings then 4 more small machine screws to remove the component containing the brushes. For a layman like myself the entire replacement job would take about 10 minutes if the kit were available. ASKO is just too willing to sell people a new motor when they know very well that there is nothing wrong with it other than worn brushes!
I think that my discovery entitles me to be upset with ASKO. I haven't phoned them yet but I intend to because they have no customer service e-mail for people to express their concerns.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30th, 2006 07:01 |
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| Mare, how goes it on the health front?
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Posted: Thu Mar 30th, 2006 19:20 |
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| I think the brushes are universal. The number of the brushes is #ASK8801097. You can call AP Depot. They are really nice. I think my washer is older than yours.
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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 06:11 |
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Thanks for the reply. I think we have a different model number with different motors. I have a 10504 and the brushes are internal to the motor and welded in. I had to sand down some oversized brushes to fit in the holder, cut the wires off of the worn brushes and solder the new ones in.
If I'm not mistaken you have a 10505 and the brushes slide into a couple of holes in the sides of the motor housing. Mine is designed differently and would require a component that holds the brushes, brass circuitry and the connector for the power wire from the washer to the motor. It is designed to be easily replaceable but ASKO doesn't sell the part.
I plan to just keep feeding the machine brushes until either something else major fails or the motor actually dies.
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etherhuffer
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Posted: Mon May 29th, 2006 22:02 |
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I too just had my Asko 10505 crap out. No spin no tumble. I read the above posts and sounds like motor brushes.
First, I don't see a schema for the motor access or assembly. Is there a link or is this straight forward when I look at the back of the machine?
Second, last time I had the repair folks out, they said the bearing sounds loud. Is this doable at home or is some fancy bearing puller required?
Lastly, I hate this! What a PIA!
Oh, nearly forgot, how do you tell if the commutator is toast or not?
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Posted: Tue May 30th, 2006 15:08 |
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| Look at the earlier posts to learn how to fix the brushes.
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etherhuffer
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Posted: Tue May 30th, 2006 16:13 |
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| Saw the posts, not a mention of commutator integrity.
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