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Posted: Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 12:59 am

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refill with 90W gear oil to about 1/4" from rim half...clean sealing surface throughly and put a bead of RTV around it.

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I must say your determination in completing this project is commendable. Most people would have given up long ago.

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This might be a better representation of the spring, and you can see the seat on the bottom:

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Posted: Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 01:13 am

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you can probably just buy a cup washer to go with the spring you have

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appl.tech.29501 wrote: I must say your determination in completing this project is commendable. Most people would have given up long ago.
HA! My lack of balance in my checking account is a determining factor! I do enjoy this type of work, and it's a nice break from the IT day job. Thanks

Do you know if that pawl that holds the gear down on hte spring can be pressed off the shaft? Or press teh shaft out? I might leave it if it won't come out easy. This will be demoted to a dirty rag washer after I get a new one in a few months, I hope.

I'm off to clean it all up.

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its been so long since i have torn one of those down i honestly cant remember..cleaning it will probably reveal more detail to how its installed.

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As bad as the agitator shaft looks at the lower end and the difficulty getting the agitator shaft to pull down and out of the basket drive and the emulsified oil in the transmission, (looks very much like there's been water in there).

You most likely also have bad upper agitator shaft and/or spin tube seals and/or bearings and water has been leaking down the shaft and into the transmission which has forced all the oil out.

As to removing the agitator drive gear shift fork, you have to remove the cam/shift bar from the top side and then the shift fork and shaft should slide out of the housing.

Last edited on Thu Jul 22nd, 2010 11:56 am by Budget Appliance Repair

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First, thanks a million both of you!

As bad as the agitator shaft looks at the lower end and the difficulty getting the agitator shaft to pull down and out of the basket drive and the emulsified oil in the transmission, (looks very much like there's been water in there).
Most definitely. The oil is runny and not much there.

You most likely also have bad upper agitator shaft and/or spin tube seals and/or bearings and water has been leaking down the shaft and into the transmission which has forced all the oil out.
I'll put the shaft on the lathe to clean it up and ensure straightness. Any chance these seals are available? I have "O" ring assortments if they'll do. I don't suppose there's a chance of the seal available for the agitator shaft going into the tranny? The one inside the tranny?

As to removing the agitator drive gear shift fork, you have to remove the cam/shift bar from the top side and then the shift fork and shaft should slide out of the housing.
Cleaning it up tonight. I'll report on what i find. Probably won't be installing it until tomorrow night or Saturday.

Hopefully, I'll get a new one soon, and this one will be delegated to washing dirty rags and greasy clothes from the shop. I hope I can get it to run and last a few months for regular use.

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If you have an old appliance repair shop near you they may still have a seal laying around. As Willie says it definitely looks like you need one. I probably have one somewhere at my work place...could take me a month of Sundays to find it though.

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.could take me a month of Sundays to find it though.
Ha! Would take a lot longer if it were somewhere in my shop!

Don't waste your time... I'm already in debt to you and Willi for your awesome free advice. I'm strapped for cash for a while, and can't thank you enough.

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Not a problem, glad to help....rotate that tranny shaft so the ball bearing under the collar is on top....less of a tendency to want to fall out when you go to slide the tranny back in.

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This ball? :shock:

I remembered you guys telling me to watch for it, and I never saw it until I had the case in the parts washer and it fell out when I flipped over the botom half of the case while cleaning it. So, I don't know how it was positioned :shock:

Good news is the shaft has very little corrosion; it was all gunk, and came out pretty clean after washing it:

Actually, the whole thing is in amazing condition considering it was running on emulsified water/oil for who knows how long:

Ain't she purdy now?

Tomorrow night, I'll get the shaft on the lathe, verify its' straightness and sand out a few wear rings from where the crud ate a ring into it, presumably at the seal.

Is it possible to describe where the ball goes?

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There's an indention in the shaft where it sits and the plastic collar slides over it to hold it there

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Ahhhh, OK, I remember the indent, and the collar cleaned up purdy too! In fact, I had to put the collar back in the wash and scrub out its' corresponding indent.

Think I can get her back together?

I took pics for ref.

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Dang, that seal is still available !!!

Transmission Shaft Seal Link

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I don't believe that ball is for the t-bearing which Appl.tech.29501 is talking about.

We need to find you a parts breakdown for that old transmission, it's been a long time ago that I was inside one of those. There's a ball under the agitator shaft and that is where it fell out of when you turned the case upside down. I can't remember if there was also a somewhat domed flat metal slug that sets on top of the ball or if maybe that's the way the new Direct Drive style is.

But there is definitely the ball bearing setting at the bottom of the agitator shaft hole.

The one Appl.tech.29501 is talking about very well could have rolled away on you already when you pulled the transmission out. The whitish/yellow nylon bearing that slides down the agitator shaft and supports the basket drive, if the ball is not installed to keep the t-bearing positioned correctly it's not going to work when you finish, so make sure you have that t-bearing and ball locator installed correctly.

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appl.tech.29501 wrote: Dang, that seal is still available !!!

Agitator shaft seal link

There is something wrong with this picture if that is the "Agitator Shaft Seal".

Looks like it has at least a 1" inside diameter and the agitator shaft is only about a 1/2" diameter. That looks more like one of the basket drive seals that would go under the lower bearing in the superstructure.

Attached is a page from a 1995-1996 W.L. May Co. catalog -- These are 1995-1996 wholesale prices and most parts if not all of the transmission parts are probably no longer available.

Attachment: Transmission Page.jpg (Downloaded 12 times)

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Your absolutely right Willie (good eye) it was not the correct seal. I have edited that post with the correct picture and link.

Here's another page for your viewing pleasure

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appl.tech.29501 wrote: Dang, that seal is still available !!!

Budget Appliance Repair wrote: We need to find you a parts breakdown for that old transmission, it's been a long time ago that I was inside one of those.
That would be so awesome, if such exists and I can get a copy.

There's a ball under the agitator shaft and that is where it fell out of when you turned the case upside down. I can't remember if there was also a somewhat domed flat metal slug that sets on top of the ball or if maybe that's the way the new Direct Drive style is.
That's right, it's a flat disk on mine, like a spacer. Probably a hardened seat, so the ball doesn't eat it's way through the case.

But there is definitely the ball bearing setting at the bottom of the agitator shaft hole. The one Appl.tech.29501 is talking about very well could have rolled away on you already when you pulled the transmission out. The whitish/yellow nylon bearing that slides down the agitator shaft and supports the basket drive, if the ball is not installed to keep the t-bearing positioned correctly it's not going to work when you finish, so make sure you have that t-bearing and ball locator installed correctly.
I heard something drop while I was beating the shaft senseless. Missing a socket and thunk that was it. I'll bet it's in the machine and the socket is elsewhere.

It's stinky hot out there, so I'm going after the seals in the machine in the cool basement, while I wait for it to cool off.

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Budget Appliance Repair wrote: appl.tech.29501 wrote: Dang, that seal is still available !!!

It takes me to another page.

The springs, bottom left, and seal kit top center are available, you think those the correct parts?

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Centerpost bearing and seal kit for all belt drive washers

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Spring & seal kit for agitator shaft in gear case assembly

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Spring for gear fork shaft

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