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I just took off the agitator and took a picture of lint pieces "gathered" at the lint filters.


I'm revisiting the thought that maybe my Purex Ultra detergent, despite adding a cup of distilled white vinegar, simply isn't doing it's job to break down the lint? It has "sodium carbonate", but no listing of "aluminosilicates". At the store yesterday, I was looking at the various brands and most do not even list ingredients?? I saw the brands with "HE". I am wondering, despite this isn't a newer HE machine, if an HE detergent might be the answer?

Also, I always use the "Regular Fabrics" cycle. Might it be better to use the "Knits/Delicates"(Gentle?) cycle? Thanks!

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Are you missing one of the lint filters?

No, don't use HE detergent in the this washer-- won't help and would just be a waste of money.

DO make sure you're using a detergent with phosphates. For all the bad rap, phosphates work.



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Yeah, hope you poped that lint filter out cause its missin.....how are the clothes after they come out of the dryer? Typically the washer on removes 25% of the lint, the dryer does the other 75%.



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Hehe, sorry. Yeah, I popped the fliter out, for the picture.

My Purex Ultra bottle says "contains no phosphates". So I searched and found the whole phosphate debate. And it seems since 1994, laundry detergent manufacturers, in the USA,  no longer put phosphates in their products anymore. Yet, I read that phosphates remove the hard water minerals and improve the effectiveness of the detergent overall. So am I correct to assume, my local supermarket or Target store etc won't have detergent with phosphates? What brand do you know of, that DO contain phosphates? And Where would I find such detergent?

After the clothes are dry, when I wear them, they make me ITCH. But if I wash them in my bathtub and then dry them in the dryer, they are fine. No itch.

As I asked in my previous post, does the speed of the cycle make a difference? Regular vs Gentle? Does the more vigorous nature of the Regular cycle create more lint?

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Can I maybe use a water conditioner (softener) like "Calgon Water Softener" with my Purex Ultra? I know I saw bottles of this in the store. It sounds like that would do what the phosphates in the detergent would do?

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So, after trying the Calgon water softener, it made no difference. I am still getting the thick streaks of the grey lint. Where could it possibly be coming from??

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Have you had your water hardness tested? You can buy water hardness testers at a hardware store. If you're on city water, probably not an issue since they probably soften the water. But if you're on a well, you most likely are dealing with hard water.

Only other thing I can think of is gookus sloughing off from deep within the bowels of the washing machine. There are products that help de-gookify. Here's one:

http://astore.amazon.com/fixitnow-20/detail/B000LF5VMQ



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It is city water. I think in one of my previous posts, I mentioned how we do have hard water, by seeing the white lime/chlorine-like residue that tends to build up around the faucets. Last weekend, as I showed, I took the inner basket out of the outer tub and totally scrubbed it clean, along with the inside of the outer tub. And also the ring pieces. So I am not sure what is left of the "deep within the bowels of the washing machine"?? Only thing left is the hose between the outer tub and the pump, right?

Scotthewolf also suggested that Washer Magic stuff. But it appears to only deal with odors, soap scum and lime(from hard water). Have you seen where it takes care of lint like this?

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The lint *could be* lime deposits, in which case, the Washer Magic would help. If not, then it's still instructive because we'll have eliminated another possibility. Would also help remove soap scum that may be accumulated in the pump suction hose and in the pump itself.

The only other place lime can accumulate is in the water supply tubing from the water inlet valve to the tub.

Should still get a measure of your water hardness so we know what we're dealing with in water quality.

Another thing to do is simply try another detergent, pick a brand, any brand. At this point, nothing is beyond suspicion. All we can do is identify all the possible sources and eliminate them from the suspect list one at a time.



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I agree about doing it via process of elimination. But if it were lime, wouldn't that leave chalky white deposits on the clothes? This is, without a doubt, CHUNKS of grey lint. I guess the next thing I will try, is another detergent brand, since that has been the same thru-out this troubleshooting process.

I am SOOOO itchy right now, because I just got out of the shower(that's when it's the worst)and wearing the most recent clothes I washed.  The other day, after using the Calgon water softener with a light colored load, and seeing no lint streaks on them, I THOUGHT I had solved the problem and went ahead and washed most the rest of my clothes..until I did a load that had 3 hoodies in it and two of them came out with the chunks of lint on them. I can't even begin to explain how badly this sucks =o(

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KaraGuire wrote:
But if it were lime, wouldn't that leave chalky white deposits on the clothes? This is, without a doubt, CHUNKS of grey lint.


Yes, I would expect chalky deposits if it were lime.

Had a one other thought-- you've probably already checked it -- but just in case... is the washer pumping out completely between cycles, especially after the wash cycle and before the rinse cycle?

Also, did you check the underside of the balance ring on the inner basket when you had it out?



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I was revisiting the same thought last night, about wether or not the water was being fully pumped out before the rinse cycle started. Right before I left my first message to you on Facebook, I had done your "slow drain test" and only timed it at about 80 seconds or so, before I heard it go into spin mode. I don't think I've ever stopped it right after the drain that happens before the rinse cycle. Though I guess that's the same draining process, eh? But I didn't peek in at that time. Simply filled the machine and then moved the dial over to the start of the spin cycle and timed the drain, by listening, and let it start spinning and finish out. I was thinking, maybe electronically, if it's switching too soon over to spin, before all the water is out, that maybe it could be a faulty sensor? But, I will definitely do a load and check it at the very start of the rinse cycle to see if all the original water completely drains or not.


The balance ring. Is that the plastic ring that snaps down into the upper part of the inner basket, that has what seems to be a giant ring made of stone(?) pressed into it? I had that soaking in the tub, maybe 30mins or more, while I scrubbed the other pieces. I totally cleaned the plastic part of it. I wanted to remove the stone ring, because there is a tiny gap between it and the inner walls of the ring, where lint was. But the stone ring seems press-fit in there. So I just sprayed it as best I could with the pressure of a garden hose.

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KaraGuire wrote:

The balance ring. Is that the plastic ring that snaps down into the upper part of the inner basket, that has what seems to be a giant ring made of stone(?) pressed into it? I had that soaking in the tub, maybe 30mins or more, while I scrubbed the other pieces. I totally cleaned the plastic part of it. I wanted to remove the stone ring, because there is a tiny gap between it and the inner walls of the ring, where lint was. But the stone ring seems press-fit in there. So I just sprayed it as best I could with the pressure of a garden hose.


Yep, dat be de one. Sounds like you nailed it.

Will meditate while awaiting the report from the pumpout test. :buddha:



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OKay. I've got the washer halted, after the drain and just as the rinse cycle is about to start. I pulled out one hoodie and the side of it, where it was pressed against the wall of the inner basket, is caked with lint streaks. Here are pictures of the inner basket as it sits right now, where the hoodie was. See all those little "tails" of lint sticking out of the little holes?...



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So, what should a I try next?

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Did we ever try a new detergent?

Another thought: are you doing all cold water wash?

After eliminating all the chemical causes we can think of, we go back to mechanical. About the only thing left is the water inlet plumbing (inside the washer).



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No, didn't want change the variable of the detergent, until we could rule other things out. I can go pick up a new bottle and give that a shot. No, I am doing hot and warm water washes. As for the water inlet plumbing, I've stopped the washer right after it has filled with water, and the water appears to be crystal clear.

Actually, I have not been letting the washer fill itself lately, cause the hot water comes in very slow(probably some setiment blockage at the screen on the end of the hose where it connects to the valve? (I can't seem to budge the valve to turn it off, in order to disconnect the hose to clean out the blockeage) So, instead, I fill it with buckets of hot water from the tub. SO I am guessing that would rule out the water inlet plumbing?

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Exact same linty result with Woolite detergent. Ugh. What next?

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OK, so I took the outer tub-to-pump hose off. No lint in it at all. Just kind of slimey. Cleaned it out best I could and put back on. And ran an empty cycle to flush things out.

Decided to try both of the other "gentle" cycles, as I read that maybe the harsh, faster, agitating during the regular cycle, could "scrape" the fibers off clothes, causing the excessive lint. No luck. Both "Delicates/Knits" and "Permanent Press" yielded lint.

Note: between the 2 attempts, I ran a rinse cycle, with a little distilled vinegar, to hopefully rinse out any leftover lint that might be sitting in there.

On a side note, the agitation during both the cycles was exactly the same as regular cycle. How can that be? I know back in October, a friend of mine used my machine(with Woolite and one of the gentle cycles) and it sounded much different, slower whurring sound, during agitation.

What should I try now?



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Also, there is a little bit of dust/lint inside the cabinet. Doesn't seem like anything significant enough to somehow float up and make it's way in...does it? When I had the inner basket out a couple weeks ago, I made sure to clean the inside of the horizontal top cabinet piece that has the lid in it. Here's a picture...

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