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| Kenmore Series 80 once fixed and now no spin loud noise | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 06:23 am |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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About 2 weeks ago I cleaned the drum/tub/parts and replaced the clutch -which was very loose keeping the washer from spinning very well if at all- and it spun like new. I left the cabinet off for these past two weeks just to be sure all was good All was good so I replaced the cabinet Washed 5 or more loads with cabinet on and it was great 6th load was a very small load. I shut the washer off JUST as it was going into the first rinse/spin as company had showed up .. no problems, no noises. 3 hours later I go to finish the wash and BANG BANG BANG BANG  Immediately shut the washer off and begin to cry. It is SO loud! Sounds like it's coming from underneath somewhere. Agitator/drum will not spin. I have no idea. I haven't done anything yet ..not even check below the unit. Clutch was easy to replace so don't think I did anything wrong with installation Transmission busted? Something stuck somewhere? Motor coupler doesn't seem the cause as it was fine and research doesn't support that as cause. Bearings? ..Read something about that. Clutch/brake cam ..the white thing with 2 arms/prongs broken? Basket drive block busted? That was OK, too. Nuts not tightened enough? Doubt that. I'll record the washer in spin and upload to youtube tomorrow for a listen. thanks for all help/opinions/questions
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| Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 12:14 pm |
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NCSU_laundry_tech Sublime Master of Appliantology 
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"Clutch/brake cam ..the white thing with 2 arms/prongs broken?" perhaps turn it to spin and see if the clutch disk is rotating
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| Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 04:29 pm |
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certified tech group 51 Sublime Master of Appliantology 
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Remove the load and do what NCSU suggested, It could have been out-of balance at the start of the spin cycle...( small load ).
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| Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 10:05 pm |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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I'll check I haven't taken the cabinet off yet, though. It's in a niche that neccessitates the dryer be removed from the room before anything can really be done ..Even tipping over ..probably tomorrow Don't know if it helps with a diagnosis or not or if it's completely normal but the agitator -the bottom part thats bolted on- will turn both ways CC and CW. No resistance, no grinding noise or skipping etc Here is the video on youtube. The thing actually spins a bit this time but skips, too. You'll see. Sorry for the quality but it didn't look that dark on the LCD.. It's loud so for full effect turn up that volume! lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmwJy4JMr8 Last edited on Mon Nov 9th, 2009 10:05 pm by sunofsand |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 9th, 2009 10:09 pm |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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Kinda sounds like it has something to do with the clutch mechanics hopefully tom. I can be more help
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10th, 2009 04:10 am |
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certified tech group 51 Sublime Master of Appliantology
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What does it do in the agitate cycle?? that will make the motor and the transmission rotate in the opposite direction................. ( Set the pawl in the transmission....)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10th, 2009 10:39 am |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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Everything seems fine in the agitate/wash cycles I hope that answers what you're asking All the speeds work in agitate and were working prior in all cycles Now just cyclic banging on pot noise as soon as spin begins and I don't believe lets up at any time Sounds -TO ME- like the clutch is turning 1/4 or so rotation and repeating that motion back and forth when it should be spinning round ..but I'm certainly no appliantologist. Agitate rotates one way spin rotates the other? Agitate can work while spin is broke = transmission problem? = pawl not setting correctly? Anyway ..... later today I should get a look underneath
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11th, 2009 04:40 am |
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kdog Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology 
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Take a glance at the clutch while machine is running- it is the shiny disc directly above the transmission that resembles an ashtray (remember those?) if it is spinning, problem is in basket drive, if not- tranny is the cause
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12th, 2010 11:40 pm |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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Hey, I'm Back! Sorry to have left this thread like that two months ago but went to visit my father around Thanksgiving and just didn't bother with the washer as had other projects goin on besides I sacked it up and went to the laundromat or washed small loads and did some hand wringing Awesome, but worked. I guess it's my New Years resolution Anyway The clutch spins. The clutch in it is brand new as I had just replaced that prior to this problem It spins in agitate AND in spin But during spin the tub doesn't turn -or as in the video barely turns I don't let it get that far to see as the sound is horrid Last week I took the cabinet off and all so I could check the drive block etc before buying the transmission which I was set to do a couple hours later Only to find out the simple plastic "nut/screw" that holds the agitator dogs in that needs to be removed before the agitator nut can come off is STUCK This was removed by inserting a friction fit socket Doesn't work now I've tried a piece of walnut shaped to give even better purchase that merely sheared off when applied I tried to cast it out of solder thinking it would be tough enough but it, too, sheared Now I have to assemble washers on a bolt or something and grind down to match the shape of the cavity and hopefully that will work Or perhaps you've got another suggestion? Probably is a specialized tool for the job but it's so stupid it makes you pull your hair out Still washes and drains properly Clutch spins in spin No spinning of laundry I cant buy the transmission till I rule out the basket drive block
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12th, 2010 11:53 pm |
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appl.tech.29501 Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology 
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So you have the agitator out right?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2010 01:06 am |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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Nope I'll attach a photo to make it clearer what the problem is The agitator dogs are held in place by this screw spring nut thing that lifts off fully revealing the agitator nut for agitator removal The socket is seen ..i left it in there Dust from my wood and solder tools is seen as well lol Attachment: DSCF8232.JPG (Downloaded 34 times)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2010 01:09 am |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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another photo showing the entire unit Not sure if the same exact model or whatever but it's the same general system
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2010 01:10 am |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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... Attachment: dogs.jpg (Downloaded 33 times)
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2010 01:38 am |
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appl.tech.29501 Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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The piece with the square hole is removed by inserting a 1/2" drive socket extension bar and turing counter clock wise...usually you can almost remove it by hand. The entire top portion will come off leaving the bottom portion attacted the the tranny by a bolt that you you remove with a 9/16" socket.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2010 06:27 am |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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Last thing before going to bed I appreciate your taking the time trying to help but IT'S STUCK!! lol the socket just spins ..no grab no hold no nothin' Feel forced into making specialty tools looks like a 4 prong spanner wrench with a 1/2 square inside connected to a socket would work really well I've had the washer completely apart before to clean it head to tow and check stuff out/replace the clutch I cant remove the thing. I mean, I COULD remove it don't want to knowingly damage all that stuff That said Last edited on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 06:31 am by sunofsand |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2010 10:39 am |
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NCSU_laundry_tech Sublime Master of Appliantology
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appl.tech.29501 wrote: The piece with the square hole is removed by inserting a 1/2" drive socket extension bar and turing counter clock wise...usually you can almost remove it by hand. The entire top portion will come off leaving the bottom portion attacted the the tranny by a bolt that you you remove with a 9/16" socketdid you at least get the square hole piece out yet?
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14th, 2010 10:44 am |
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Budget Appliance Repair Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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sunofsand wrote:
Forget about a socket for now and get the one you have stuck down in there out. Read again what appl.tech.29501 wrote: The piece with the square hole is removed by inserting a 1/2" drive socket extension bar and turing counter clock wise...usually you can almost remove it by hand. The entire top portion will come off leaving the bottom portion attacted the the tranny by a bolt that you you remove with a 9/16" socket. 1/2" drive extension bar, (NOT A 1/2" SOCKET). The 1/2" square end of the extension shaft will fit perfectly into that square hole in the top of the plastic hold down nut.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15th, 2010 11:29 pm |
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sunofsand Grasshopper
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don't believe ive seen it explained that you use the JUST the mating end Or something Lack of terminology/familiarity Thanks for making me understand! Anyway, don't have an extension. If only I had I probably would made the connection So I homebrewed it. I ground a round thing into a square thing and now the thing is out Tomorrow I'll be taking it apart, I think Last edited on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 11:32 pm by sunofsand |
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