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Budget Appliance Repair wrote:


Last part, "If it doesn't run, then you have a bad motor.", is not true.


It's still a factually true statement, Bruvah Willie: if the motor doesn't run with voltage applied, then it's a bad motor. It's just not exactly applicable to this particular situation. :afro:



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when the machine should be running but is just humming check for 120 volts between the red and yellow wires at the timer



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Ok, I'm going to go check the voltages...I'll tell the kids not to touch my twitching body if something goes awry, just go for the breaker box. Thx.

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Ok....Thank you for the wiring diagram. I have NOOO idea how to read it. But I'm willing to try.
It doesn't spin in either direction when it should. (The only functions that function are fill and agitate) The lid switch is definitely good. I would like to explore this 'timer is bad' possibility because the motor DOES run (and spins the pump on 'agitate') and as I understand it, if the transmission is somehow faulty then it will be preventatively expensive to repair (?)
Can you (Burk in Eureka or other) walk me through figuring out a) where the timer IS, how to test it? I have lots of red and yellow wires....but don't know which ones where to test.

Thanks.

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according to the diagram there is only one solid yellow, and one solid red wire at the timer.



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I know it may be hard to believe that someone has never looked at a wiring diagram before... but I haven't. I see no relation between the diagram and my washing machine. Where exactly IS the timer? I mean, I know it is between the dryer and the wall, not in the oven....

Humbly,

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my bad, the timer is the part underneath the knob. to gain access you need to remove the two screws on either side of the control panel and pull it forward and up.



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Ok, I assume you mean the knob on the far right (lots of knobs)--I have pulled the cabinet etc. too to look at the pump, motor, gobs of lint, missing socks etc.

I hope this is going to rate more than one on the SUDS meter....

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Ok, there are 14 wires to the timer knob...two are partially red and two are partially yellow...not sure this is going anywhere without more instruction.

I revisited the FAQ list and explored its meandering trails awhile. Do I have a reversing motor? If so, could it maybe not be working one direction? How would I know?

Any comments would be cheered!

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if you locat the end of the timer that has a black wire count down 3 positions starting with the black, the yellow wire should be here along with a white/black and an orange. you will find the red in the fourth position.



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if you need more help, post a good quality close up picture of the wires at the timer, and i will point them out for you.



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Thanks. I'm on it.

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would this picture help ?




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Ok...yellow to red wires are good, so I did as Redrock suggested and pulled the motor. The motor turns on agitate but just hums loudly on spin. So...can someone interpret?

thanks.

FW

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Farm wahine wrote: ... pulled the motor. The motor turns on agitate but just hums loudly on spin...
RegUS_PatOff wrote: Farm wahine wrote: The washer is dead when it should be draining (not a sound.) --but when I switch it to the end of the spin cycle it hums....
May be a bad Timer ...

Sounds like a bad set of (Motor reversing) contacts in the Timer.



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Farm wahine wrote: Ok...yellow to red wires are good, so I did as Redrock suggested and pulled the motor. The motor turns on agitate but just hums loudly on spin. So...can someone interpret?

thanks.

FW

so to be clear, when the machine should be spinning, but is just humming you get 120 volts between the red and yellow wires?



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I'll check...how do I reach the contacts when it is on?

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you push the leads of the meter into the back side of the connector.



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Ok, I am not understanding why this is, but when it the wires are connected but the timer is off, the red to yellow reads 180 on the meter ....but when I take apart the wire brace thing AT THE MOTOR and touch the yellow to red on the meter side --and it is set to spin and ON (If it were connected the motor would be humming,)-- I get a zero reading.

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believe it or not this is progress. now check from both wires to ground to make sure neutral isnt being lost under a load

 

i just re-read your post, are you saying you had the motor disconnected? for these tests to be accurate the motor must be connected and humming (trying to run).

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