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 Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2008 08:49 am
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Hey All,

My wife and I just joined this forum because of our problem.

We have a Whirlpool washer labeled as follows:

Model-LSQ9549PW6;  Ser#CT1921665;  10amps/120vac/60hz;  Type 111;  Top Loading

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Ultimate Care II;  Commercial Quality/Super Capacity Plus/12 Cycles/5 Speed Combinations/Porcelain Basket/ Quiet Wash.

Problem:

After about 18 months in the same spot (concrete with linoleum cover), the machine started vibrating violently - to the point where it thru some water onto the floor.  The Wife  orginally reported the machine leaking.  I leveled it up approx 15" off the floor and ran it while looking for leaks.  None were found.  When it started shaking like mad, I tried to re-distribute the clothes in the basket.  I tried 4 times total and, then, started removing clothes out of the machine.  This got my suspect meter to reading high and I ran the machine thru a normal wash cycle WITHOUT any clothes in it at all. 

The vibration continued but not as violently.  In fact, the shaking was quite a bit less, but has a rythmnic HUMP beat to it (sort of an audible version of the wobble in the basket ball with the weighted side used by the Harlem Globe Trotter basketball team).  A more pronounced vibration within the vibration - if this makes any sense!

After lurking on this site and reading about similar problems, I inspected the suspension springs (3 total) and the vertical spring.  They all look fine and all are in place.  I have not looked at the suspension "pads" as I have not crawled into the bowels of the machine yet.  I've read about removing the cabinet and should be able to do that tomorrow.

Needless to say, I'm hoping someone has had this, or a similar, experience and know what to do to restore normal life as we use to know it in the laundry room.  Any and all suggestions, ideas, hints, tips, etc. are greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.........Hez the humble (Pacific NW)

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If you've thoroughly inspected everything else as you say, then the pads would be my prime suspect.  Part #285219, under $10.

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make sure the liquid hasnt drained out of the balance ring



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Suspect the drive block has wollowed out under the center post of the spin basket, "hump" noise would be the basket spinning on the tabs of the spin tube, well, what is left of them anyway, see if the spin basket is loose when you grab the edge and rock it up and down?



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Photos of a good drive block...



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make use the neck on the inner tub has not rusted into.  have you  found any rust in the bottom of your tub lately? if so remove the agitator and check the inner tub neck.

 

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Hi Everyone and Pegi,

 

Thanks for the feedback.  AND, thanks to this site, I now have the cabinet off the washer and much better access to inspect pieces and parts.

What I've discovered is that I can literally LIFT the basket/tub straight up (towards the ceiling) for over 1/2 of an inch (estimate, could be more).  It fetches up against something to prevent it from lifting higher.

Does this speak to the failure of the drive block?  I have no idea how much vertical "float" the tub normally has. 

This forum is really helping my wife understand I'm pedalling as fast as I can to solve the problem (smile)!  Thanks a bunch and please know that you're efforts and knowledge sharing is greatly appreciated.

With Tools scattered all over the utility room,

Anxiously Your............Hez

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The basket itself should not lift up at all, sounds like you need to remoeve the splash guard and the agitator and the lock nut to see what damage there is under the spin basket center post....if the drive block did major damage to the spin tube ears you will be needing a new spin tube also if the tabs cannot be straigtened back up in good condition...



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Thanks Pegi,

 

I've taken the agitator out and am down to the nut that screws into the drive block.  In my wandering thru this site last night, I think I read that the threads on this nut are REVERSE THREADS.  I don't want to do any more harm.  Is that the case or is the nut a regular "righty tighty, lefty loosey" threaded nut?

Thanks .... more than you'll imagine......Hez

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Unscrews normal like a mason jar lid, if you do not have the spanner wrench use a large screw driver or chisel and hammer to knock it around to the left...might take a lot of beating to move it.



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Pegi,

 

We're on a roll!

However, once I got the nut off, the drive block was solid tight.  I then positioned a mirror so I could see some of what moves when I lift up on the tub.  Well, apparently, the suspension springs are what is flexing when I'm lifting up on the tub.  That is, with the mirror, I can see that the electric motor and all attachments lift with the tub when I'm lifting the tub.  So, it appears that my feedback to you was correct but inaccurate.  The tub/basket does lift, but so does every thing attached to it - as much as the suspension springs would allow.

:oops:  My bad....!     But, don't give up on me, though....Hez

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Ok, time to check the slide plate and the pads, carefully lift the corners of the slide plate that is under the tub but on top of the base frame, the triangle plate has slide pads that have to be inside of three brown pads on the base frame to keep the whole assy  in place for spin, this is a pic of the three brown pads, if any are missing or worn the washer will walk out of your house...

 



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Hi Pegi,

 

I have to ask where you're located.  I'm in Washington State (Pacific time) and figure you will be going home soon.  As I get more and more parts off the machine and laying around in the laundry room, I'm hoping my backup source (your end) isn't going to leave me high and dry (that's laundry room humor) for the night.

Anyway, I have the pump off, the electric motor off, and the gearbox off the machine.  I'm not sure where or how to go about checking the "pads" from this point.

Please let me know what direction I should go in now.

Thanks in advance,

 

Hez with hope and faith......

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Located in Texas, central time but I am at home so not going anywhere till bed time, the brown tabs are located under the white triangle plate that is out of position in this photo, if the slide plate corners are not located true in the corners of the base where the brown tabs are attached to the base frame, or if the tabs are worn, broken or missing the washer would have a very bad time in balancing in spin...



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Pegi,

 

I think I see a light at the end of somebodies tunnel.

The brown suspension pads you described and linked to in a photo are different on my machine.  The pads on this end are white TEFLON and not the brown bakelite(?) material shown in the photos.  In fact, the triangular plate also has three (3) teflon rectangular shaped pads mounted on an incline on the basket side of the plate.  This same triangular plate sits on the suspension pads in question.  I notice a fair amount of teflon "shavings" in the area around the 3 suspension pads (on the underside of the triangular plate) which indicate wear of the three pads.  Without an original pad for comparison, I can't guess how much the pads are worn.  These suspension pads have two (2) stubs pertruding from the bottom and are cone shape for mounting thru holes in the base frame.  I'm guessing I only have to poke the old pads out and snap/pop in the new replacements - when I get them.  The topside, rectangular shaped teflon pads seem to act as containment pieces by shouldering on an incline position.  No indication of wear exist around each of these upper teflon pads. 

I inspected the drive shaft for the agitatior and it is smooth throughout it's full length; no signs of grooving or ridges.  Also, I used my pinkie finger to feel the inside diameter (I.D.) of the drive block and it feels uniform and smooth. Is there a seal for the drive shaft mounted on the top end of the drive block?  Generally, all the pieces I've had my paws on seem to be in fairly good condition for the approximate 30 months we've owned the washer (and dryer).  Note, I originally stated we had these appliances for 18 months but the paperwork corrected me. 

My apologies for not noticing your location stated under your photo with each one of your postings.  My brain is being selectively numb.

Do you agree with the conclusion I've come to about replacing the 3 suspension pads?  If anymore is required, I may have to defer to a local expert serviceperson as my wife does not see the enjoyment I see in playing with tools to take things apart.  I check a few more things while all the pieces are laying about :-)  Finally, I have automotive grease and oil for lubing any of the parts I think would need it.  Do I need a specialty grease or oil?  Let me know.

 

Look forward to hearing back from you ...... Hez

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This shows the wear pads per your Model number....

This shows a slide pad kit...

Believe these are just the pads for the plate?

Do not grease or lube anything please...



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Pegi,

 

Can you explain the difference in the "tub wear pads" (below the triangular plate) which your photos so say are brown and what I'm actually seeing as White Teflon?

Thanks for the advise about not lubing anything!  I needed to be told that....

Thank some more....Hez

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No clue, just know the triangle slide plate has the pads that slide inside of the brown pads that pop into the base frame, could just be different names by different people.. ;)



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