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| Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 04:33 am |
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MarlbMan Senior Apprentice Appliantologist
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This should be relatively simple. I've even included photos of the old timer and of the new timer as well as the diagram from the dryer, to make it all go down smoothly. Here is the trouble I am having. The timer is the same model #, M460-G, but the new one is apparently made by maytag, while the old one doesn't say who it's made by (you can see all of this clearly in the photos labeled "Top") and while they look pretty much identical in every other way, the colors listed on the posts don't match up. Normally I would assume that, regardless of the colors labeled, the same wire would go on the post in the same position, except that in this case the posts aren't in the same exact position. So, this is what I need; If I could get someone to send me a diagram from a dryer with the maytag timer so I can compare it to the diagram from my dryer, I can have it figured out rather easily. By the way, with the old timer in the dryer, it runs but the dial doesn't advance as time goes by, therefore the dryer will keep running until you shut it off. That's why I'm replacing the timer.  Before anyone responds telling me I have the wrong timer and I need to get one identical to the old one, the timer I bought is an M460-G and it WILL work in my dryer, I just need to know what wires I'm supposed to be putting where, so if someone could just help me out with the diagram from a dryer with a timer identical to the Maytag M460-G shown in the pictures of the new timer, I would be much obliged.Old Timer (wiring colors are Red, Black, Blue, Violet, Orange, White/Black) New Timer (wiring colors are Yellow, Gray, Red, Black, Pink, Blue) Unfortunately, in the toolbar it does not give me the option to post a link, so I will just have to post the pictures IN this post. Sorry. Here they are: Old Timer - Back  New Timer - Back  Diagram for Old Timer  Old Timer - Top  New Timer - Top  Again, sorry I couldn't just add a link to a label and that I had to post the images inside the message itself, makes it mighty long, I know. Thanks for your help. Dan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 06:57 am |
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Budget Appliance Repair Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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MarlbMan wrote:Before anyone responds telling me I have the wrong timer and I need to get one identical to the old one, the timer I bought is an M460-G and it WILL work in my dryer, I just need to know what wires I'm supposed to be putting where, so if someone could just help me out with the diagram from a dryer with a timer identical to the Maytag M460-G shown in the pictures of the new timer, I would be much obliged. I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but you purchased the wrong timer. Who told you that Maytag timer was the correct one to replace the one in your Whirlpool Dryer. The M460-G is not the number to go by, that is just a base timer sytle # not the number to order by. First of all if you did hook up that Maytag timer in your Whirlpool dryer, the first time you turn it on, you're going to burn up the motor on the new timer. Take a look at the side of your original timer motor - notice it says 230VAC 60Hz. and has the brown timer wires which means it's a 230/240volt motor. I'm sure if you look on the timer motor of the Maytag timer you will see it marked 120VAC 60Hz., and it has the black wires. Doesn't your orignal timer mount from the back by those tabs that stick out each side of the timer face plate, if so how are you going to mount the Maytag one without the mounting tabs? Most likely none of the dial positions off/cycles will line up correctly either. You need to take that Maytag timer back to whoever sold it to you and get the correct one, Whirlpool part# 8299777 CLICK HERE to see and/or order the correct one. If you order it from RepairClinc and it doesn't take care of your problem they will take the timer back even if it has been installed, (less shipping both ways of coarse). Good luck in getting whoever sold you the Maytag one to return it if was in a sealed bag that has now been opened. How about also giving us the model# of the dryer you're actually working on.
____________________ William Burk (Willie) Willie's Budget Appliance Repair Eureka, CA 95501 |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 18th, 2007 10:15 pm |
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MarlbMan Senior Apprentice Appliantologist
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Budget Appliance Repair wrote: You need to take that Maytag timer back to whoever sold it to you and get the correct one, Whirlpool part# 8299777 CLICK HERE to see and/or order the correct one. Thank you for a very intelligent answer explaining why this was the wrong timer and not just saying "You have the wrong timer, get this one instead. It helps being able to see logically why the timer I have would not work. Can you tell me this though, I've found a timer model #8299778, what's the difference between the 8299777 and the 8299778? The 8299777, as you can see from my pictures, is the one that is currently in my dryer. Would I be able to use an 8299778 to replace an 8299777? Thanks Again Dan
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2007 07:24 am |
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Budget Appliance Repair Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology
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Is there a reason you don't just order the correct part that you know will work? (Besides the fact that the 8299778 is $30-$40 less the the correct one.) There's really no way to know if the 8299778 would have the same cycle lengths and times as your original timer without having the consule the timer comes off of to compare. Physically the 8299778 would mount and wire in correctly and more importantly the timer motor is a 230volt motor. It would probably run your dryer fine but more then likely the timer pointer would never line up correctly with the cycles printed on the consule. Both of these timers are for sure different in there cycles or the parts suppliers would sub one to the other. On 7 different sites I use for my research each timer number comes up as a good current number that doesn't sub to any other number. Also becuase there are so many different consule timer cycle variations the actual pictures of the consules are very seldom found on the parts sites, I found a model number that both different timers are used on and looked up the consule for both and for neither was the the actual consule picture shown on 5 sites that have pictures. If you're really intent on using the 8299778 because it is cheaper or just what you have available to you locally then you can possible purchase it and use the motor off of it to put on your old timer, that is if the old timer motor is your problem. You need to check on your original timer with a meter to make sure the timer motor is receiving 220-240volts when the dryer is in a timed dry cycle. If it is and it is not advancing it can be only one of two things: 1)the timer motor windings are burnt out, which you could verify with a meter or 2)the gears in the timer motor gear box are stripped, in this case the motor would ohm out ok and you may even be able to hear it running but it still would not advance. You can't purchase just the motor alone even though it can be removed by just two screws. I save old timers and consules just for this reason. I will give the customer the option of just replacing the motor with a good used motor, if I have one, for $15.00 part or complete new timer for $50-$100 part.
____________________ William Burk (Willie) Willie's Budget Appliance Repair Eureka, CA 95501 |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2007 11:55 pm |
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applianceman18007260692 Fellow, Academy of Sublime Masters of Appliantology 
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I worked for appliance parts store for 11 years M460 means NOTHING you need another number and it goes by the serial number in some cases Last edited on Tue Jun 19th, 2007 11:58 pm by applianceman18007260692 ____________________ "May the hinges of our friendship never grow rusty" -old Irish saying Buy me a Beer: http://web.me.com/zenzoidman/applianceman18007260692/ |
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