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It will not spin with anything but a very small load.  I can remove the wet load that didn't spin or drain, start the spin  and it will complete the cycle without load.  I have checked the door lock and that seems to be ok.

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Two things come into my mind that could cause this, although there may be more. Does it spin at all, even slowly, wiht a large load?

First, this machine probably senses the tub balance by the fluctuation of motor strain. If the drum spider is even slightly weakened, this could cause a large load to make it feel like un-balanced. It would shake a bit, slow down, shake a little less, speed up, shake a little more, slow down again and so on, and eventually time out if balance isn't reached by the slight tumbling that should occur at the slow spin.

the second possible thing, especially, if it doesn't spin at all with a large load, perhaps weak speed control unit: http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=154&RccPartID=823078

If it doesn't solve the problem, RCC will refund it. I'm afraid that if it is related to bad drum/tub parts, the parts can cost up to $400... plus costs for a relatively large shipment.


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It will spin real fast with a slight wobble when there is a light load or no load at all.

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I tried looking up your model #and couldn't find a 417.29043991.....Sears had a 417.29042991 and thats as close as I could come.....however Repair Clinic shows your model # given...STRANGE.....any who

I would suspect an out of balance situation, but according to the machine I looked up there is no sensor on this machine so I'm inclined to agree with what Keino has already posted....that being said I would check the shocks hooked to the tub..... the machine I looked up showed to be produced in 1999 and if yours is it's mate this would be along time for these to last with the trouble they've had with them

With it having a wobble in the tub with nothing in it (should run smooth) I can imagine what it would be with a load



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What are the shocks you speek of?  Is it the spider on the tub? Cuz if it is that expensive of a fix, I'll just melt it down and make myself a lawn sculpture. I missed the "2" in the model number, it is 417.29042991   My wife gave me that number over the phone, and I think that there should be a " Thou shalt not get model number from spouse over the phone" in the posting rules. 

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After you remove the kick panel at the bottom front you will see them one on each side achored from the floor to the tub look kindof like a shock on a car, also if you remove the top panel there are 2 heavy duty springs that serve as a stabilizer for the top part but these are practically indestructable



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Ok,

New shocks on it, same problem.

Once I had a look at it, I understand why the slight wobble, it is suspended with the springs  mentioned.  So I would guess that the ever so slight wobble is normal under those circumstances, my perception of a wobble may have been too sensitive. Anyway the spin is very high speed with small or no load.  I found several quarters in the coin trap, not enough to cover the new shocks, but the wheel in the pump spins freely with no obstructions. I cleared out the drain hose and checked for signs on oil or grease leakage.  I can't find any info on a spider on RCC site, other then a price for it. One thing worth mentioning.  When it was spinning with big load, it would shake the whole house. 

One more observation;  It makes a creeking noise especially when changing direction during agitation cycle.  It is s slow creek, not as fast as motor rpm or even tub rpm. louder at first then softer as agitation moves up in speed and will dissipate until next change.  I flet around and couldn't locate it, so it is a mystery. 

 

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http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=154&RccPartID=407854

It's a $240 part and just about the hardest thing to reach... and one of the most likely to break. If it's weak or broken, and you're going to replace it, there is a big job ahead, discussed in a few threads... here's a major one dealing on similar machines.

http://applianceguru.com/forum2/834.html

A quick test, if you can easily yank the inner drum sideways or vertically without moving the outer tub a lot, you are probably close to a major surgery. The whole inner and outer tub assembly would cost around $400 and it would decrease work a lot. It used to be under $300 but it sold too well. :shock:



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Don't ask me why, but when I sprayed my garden hose water through the drain hose, I noticed that the water coming out was rather slow.  I talked to my friend (a hydrologist-engineer) and he explained to me that corrugated drain hose causes 6 times as much friction on water going through a pipe then smooth wall; hence more load on a pump. So on a hunch, I replaced the corrugated hose with smooth hose and bingo, spins like never before.  I did a post mortem on the hose and there were no obstructions.  I hope that it sticks.

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Your pump is getting weak. Replace it before it fails and put the corrugated hose back as well. The corrugated hose is used because it is resistant to kinking and crushing. I can't tell you how many washers and dishwashers I have seen which can't drain because someone installed a replacement drain hose or hose extension and used automotive heater hose. Works for a few months, then kinks.



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Glad to hear that a solution is close.

With a corrugated hose, drain the washer to a bucket. If you still get very weak flow, it is definitely weak pump. Otherwise it could be a blockage deeper in the drain system.



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thanks,  I'm sure that I'm not out of the woods on this machine.  Sooounds like they have lots of problems.  Time for a beer

 

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