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 Posted: Sun Jul 9th, 2006 11:27 pm
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Well, I searched, found and read some posts from 12/2005 addressing "GE Xtra Large Capacity Washer M# WWA8324GALAD squeeling, agitator hardly moving" -- apparently the same problem as in my 8600. From one of the 12/2005 posts, an apt description of the noise was offered: "...like the annoying kid at McDonalds pulling and pushing his straw in his cup.").

Surprisingly, none of the responses to the poster's dilemma addressed the real problem -- the lack of agitator motion. Squeeking suspension snubbers may be annoying, but they do NOT account for the wimpy agitator.

The GE website FAQ said this kind of "sawing" noise was a temporary manifestation of the new drive system wearing in... or something like that. Never heard this noise when the machine was new nor any time later... until now.

The Samurai's FAQ said the noise and poor agitation were the result of a worn out drive clutch. That seemed to make sense, so I replaced the primary clutch pads. The other pads were okay, but these were worn down virtually to the metal swing-arm casting on which they were mounted. (I wonder if the Discovery Channel's "Dirty Jobs" show knows about this one.) Drive belt was virtually perfect, and with the belt tensioned properly, the motor still had room to move further in the adjustment slots.

All back together and the first load of laundry started out quiet (Yay!), but soon the machine resumed the familiar sawing squawk noise during agitation (but quiet during the spin cycles). I left the back off the machine dring operation (just in case) and can state confidently that the source of the noise was NOT coming from the clutch system! Nor from the motor area beside the laundry tub. Rather, the sound appeared to be coming from somewhere near the top of the tub just under the normal closure lid. (Huh?)

I pulled out the agitator to inspect. I found a conical rubber bushing on the transmission shaft that was a bit chewed up, dropping some spalled rubble into the tub unpon removal. However, the agitator fits snugly over the splines and doesn't wobble that I can see.

Hand resistance/assistance on the top of the agitator during operation defintely influences the noise and the magnitude of agitator oscillation. What is inside the transmission that could make this kind of noise? I give up. Does anyone know what is going on here?

Please advise. Thanks.

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I would suspect the coupler inside of the agitator is worn, the rubber and metal are one piece, either the rubber and metal are seperating or the rubber is worn down to the point the plastic agitator is loose from the rubber..your rubber flaking sort of points to this as well....we used to see this all the time back when we saw a lot of these washers....installing a new agtator coupler solved the problem....Yea, working on that clutch would be a very good one for "dirty Jobs" ,  been there more times than I care to remember..



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This is a picture of the part http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=154&N=3365

Last edited on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 04:49 am by Samurai Appliance Repair Man

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To install the coupler put it on the agitator shaft then take alchole and pour it over the coupler then slide the agitator over the coupler and line up the groves and press it down then take block of wood and hammer it on ,make sure that the agitator is all the way down so no garments get suck under it and get torn

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Wow! I think y'all have nailed it.

I found I was able to separate the male-slined rubber and female-splined metal portions of the old agitator coupler by hand. These two parts should be bonded together permanently, right?

However, until today, the agitator coupler had been lodged in the top of the agitator. (I thought it was located there permanently by design, since my repair manual doesn't address the part.) The coupler is not the "conical rubber bushing" I referred to previously as "a bit chewed up" and coated by rubber rubble. The dirty bushing(?) had only appeared to be conical because of the accumulation of rubber debris. After cleaning, I can now see that it's surface is cylindrical and smooth (not chewed up as I thought). This bushing(?) is located below the agitator coupler and (so far) has always stayed with the transmission shaft when removing the agitator. It also rotates easily on the transmission shaft. Might this rubber part be a transmission shaft seal? Is it something that should be replaced periodically? Again my repair manual does not address this part.

Thank you for your outstanding advice. Y'all are terrific!

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The agitator coupler should stay inside of the agitator, the metal part at the bottom locks into the rubber bushing that is above the oil seal....is funny, that agitator holder down thingie can be installed upside down...if this happens...well, let me tell you a funny story....the founder of my business, Sam, hence Sam's Service Senter, my late husband, was working on a ge washer late one dark and stormy night...well not sure about that, but it was late at night...he had replaced the tranny and was testing the washer...said he was sitting there at the desk doing paperwork while the washer was doing its agitating thing.....well behind him came this "thud" noise...he turned, nothing there.....went back to his work...then behind him..."thud"...turned, nothing there....well, getting spooked he decided to see what was making the "thud" noise....within a minute or two, he saw the washer lid rise up like there was some one in the washer pushing it up.....then "thud" the lid fell back down....he had gotten the agitator hold down rubber back on upside down so the agitator was floating up, lifting the lid, then when it got to heavy to hold up, down went the agitator and the lid...."thud".....I will never forget this story...not something you want to hear behind you in a dark shop at night, by yourself....now back to your problem, that agitator holder down thingie will turn around...you would replace it if it gets too worn to hold the agitator down.



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Thank you Pegi and CDwasher! I'm now closing out this thread... with success!

Made the time to follow through and finish the repair job. Now my old GE clothes washer is back in sevice, running as quitely and effectively as when it was new, and my wife is thrilled (that's a win-win). Shame that the guy I cited in my original post didn't have the benefit of your wise council (instead of replacing a part, he bought a new machine).

And thanks for the relaying your husband's amusing thump-in-the-night story -- it happens to the best of us.

Along the lines of telling it like it is, I have also lauded your fine website to all of my colleagues.

Thanks again,
Kurt H

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Cool!!!  :P...Success again.......

 



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