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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 11:09 pm

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Kenmore Dishwasher: 15919001
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Hey all-

Sorry for the bother. I'm in the middle, and I really mean middle of replacing the pump/motor assembly on a Kenmore dishwasher.

I've read about this being done two different ways. From the inside of the tub and from the bottom after taking the unit out from the cabinet.

So far,
1). I have the insides outside;
2). I have the seal off the old pump assembly
3). I have "turbidity sensor" ? taken off (white item with hose & orange fitting just below finger in picture) http://www.applianceguru.com/attachment.php?id=655
4). I cannot get the tan part (name?) that sits behind the white "turbidity sensor" off. This is keeping me from pulling the entire assembly up into the tub.

Is it safe to assume that I need to disconnect thse parts, hoses, etc to get the assembly up? Am I doing this wrong?

Once I do get it out, what's the best way to reverese the process?

I hope someone can point my capable hands in the right direction.

Thanks in advance!

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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 11:19 pm

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the sensor comes out by removing the torx screw, the pump motot to the right of the sensor simply turns ccw 1/4 turn after depressein the plastic lock tabs- then rmove the 3 wedges (white) that push in between the pump housing and the tub- this will free the whole sump assembly and can now be lifted out through the inside of the unit- you'll have to disconnect some wires as well and don't lose or damahe the o-rings that are in the turb sensor and the pump motor as you'll need them for reinstall.

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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 11:25 pm

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And you do not, and should not, remove the dishwasher for this procedure-- it's all done from underneath and inside.

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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 11:27 pm

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Thanks for your super quick reply.

I got the whole thing out...just needed a bit more torq with the wrist to get what you called the "pump motor" out of it's place.

Those three plastic wedges came out earlier, I'm sure they will be a blast to get back in...I assume I need to place them from the bottom after I have the assembly all hooked up and dropped into the hole?

Thanks again!
Chris

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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 11:29 pm

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Samurai Appliance Repair Man wrote:
And you do not, and should not, remove the dishwasher for this procedure-- it's all done from underneath and inside.

Just to clarify, that's not what I'm doing. I just remember reading someone on this very board take the entire thing out from the cabinet, flip it onto it's front, and replace the motor assembly from the bottom.

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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 11:30 pm

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yupper, lube the new seal with a dab of rinse aid so it pushes into place- the wedges shouldn't be difficult- sew everything back up- test run and check for leaks and you should be good to go (as good as it gets with those anyway)

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Posted: Sat Apr 1st, 2006 11:53 pm

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kdog wrote:
yupper, lube the new seal with a dab of rinse aid so it pushes into place-
Hopefully last couple of questions.

Is it easier to put the seal on by itself or as part of the pump assembly?
Ran out of rinse aid. Dish soap shouldn't be a problem right, or will that break down the seal?

kdog wrote:
the wedges shouldn't be difficult- sew everything back up- test run and check for leaks and you should be good to go (as good as it gets with those anyway)

Sounds good. Thanks again!

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Posted: Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 12:26 am

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Ugh!

Now I can't seem to get the blasted assembly with seal properly seated into the hole! I must be going about this the wrong way.

Any tips from the pros? ... Please?

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Posted: Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 12:34 am

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Well, like my old Navy chief used to tell us, "Alright all you swingin' dicks, drag your sorry asses outta the rack and... " no, wait, that was Boot Camp. My chief at the squadron would tell us, when times were tough, that you just had to bull through with spit and determination. That's what you need here. Lube up that rubber gasket like kdog told you and then you're just gonna have to wrestle with it. After you do a couple of these, your fingers get pretty strong from pushing in those white retaining pegs. :argh:

Posted: Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 01:48 am

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Thanks Samuri-

Ya ever get to the point where you want to call in the pros? Oh wait, you are the pros.

All that I've been able to do is just get it to slide around. I still have the seal attached to the assembly, just like it came to me. Keep the seal on or take it off before installing it?

Also, there is a metal "rim" for lack of a better term, that is on the inside of the hole. There also are two grooves on the outside of the seal. Is the "rim" suppose to fit inside one of these grooves? Or, does the seal just fit onto the top of this "rim" inside the hole?

Thanks again for dealing with an appliance newby.
Chris

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Posted: Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 03:01 am

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The action of pushing the retaining pegs all the way into the slots in the assembly housing is what seats the gasket in the basin. Be strong, my son.

Posted: Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 03:12 am

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Well that would be part of my problem. Didn't understand that inserting the pins from the bottom was what I should be doing. I've been pushing the assembly from the top, trying to get the gasket to seat. :headbang:

Am I on the right track now?

Wish me luck!

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Posted: Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 03:31 am

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That did the trick! I put the first pin (front) in, then rotated the assembly a bit to the right. I had my wife push down to help me get the second (back) pin in. Lastly, I roated the assembly bach to center and had her push down on the left side to help me get the last (left) pin in.

Okay, A LOT of monkey work. But gol-darn-it, I finally got that assembly in. Now to put it back together and test 'er our.

Thanks again for everyone's help.
Chris

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Posted: Sun Apr 2nd, 2006 03:03 am

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BOOYAH!

Posted: Tue May 2nd, 2006 02:44 am

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I will be starting this project tonight. How much disassebly should I do from the bottom before pulling up the pump assembly from the inside?

Are the three wedges between the pump housing and the tub the only items that need to be disengaged before lifting th pup housing into the unit?

Posted: Fri May 5th, 2006 12:50 am

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mresman wrote: I will be starting this project tonight. How much disassebly should I do from the bottom before pulling up the pump assembly from the inside?

Are the three wedges between the pump housing and the tub the only items that need to be disengaged before lifting th pup housing into the unit?

i am also curious :cool:

Posted: Fri May 5th, 2006 04:41 am

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Hello, my curious friends. As our effluvious host mentioned early on this topic, the entire replacement is done with the dishwasher in place. After disconnecting all hoses and wires underneath and removing the three retaining tabs, the assembly is lifted up from the inside of the dishwasher.

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Posted: Fri May 5th, 2006 03:35 pm

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I could not get my arms underneath the dishwasher to remove all the tabs. I even tried replacing them with the dishwasher upright. I was not successful.

I was succesfull at scratching up my arm!

By tilting the washer forward, onto the door, it made the job much easier.

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