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Posted: Sun Nov 27th, 2005 10:38 pm

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We have the Whirplool Gold Tall Tub and love it, would not have anything else now, I do not know anything about the others. As with anything new these days buy the extended warranties. I work on these but still bought the extra coverage...

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We have a Kitchenaid Superba m/n KUDC25CHWH1. It's the older style with the larger washer/drain motor in the center instead of the newer design with the wimpy wash motor that's always burning out and the separate pump motor. I acquired it used from a customer who was remodeling, nothing wrong with it. Stainless steel tub, all the capacity we've ever needed, and solid, time-tested design. Try to find one used.

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the choices are many . you need to consider what you want v/s what you need v/s whats looks good v/s what is the best value ,

so here my take on that , the best dishwasher i have found that works almost silent uses little water almost no energy is ME according to my wife who has a whirlpool gold dish machine but by far BOSCH is the best buy

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Please pardon the Grasshopper for asking dumb question, but Pegi, I have never heard of anyone recommending buying the extended warranty, especially those who know how to repair things. So what's up with that? Is it really worth it?

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Sure I can repair it, own my Appliance & A/ C repair business, so I also know how much it costs for the parts and the trouble of taking it apart and doing the work, just the cost of a control board or the wash module would cover the cost of an extended 2-3 year warranty...the older stiff held up, so was a waste of money, with the electronics in the appliances these days, I recommend eveyone buy them, especially since everyone has gone to a one year warranty only on the value brands...we had to replace the evap fan motor in an 11 cu ft GE frig last week, 2 months out of the one year warranty, lucky she had bought the extended warranty or she would have paid the $256.00 repair bill on this box that cost her $329.84

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Pegi wrote:
we had to replace the evap fan motor in an 11 cu ft GE frig last week, 2 months out of the one year warranty, lucky she had bought the extended warranty or she would have paid the $256.00 repair bill on this box that cost her $329.84

I really doubt that customer would have paid $256.00 to repair a $329.84 refrig, (if they had any smarts anyway). You most likely would have been walking away with your trip charge and the box would have went to the land fill.

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Yes, that is so, but NEW will repair up to the original cost of the unit...instead of replacing....good for us and them... :cool:

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Hello,

We are in the market for a new DW. We were loking at Bosch, best buy shu66c06uc best buy in consumer reports, however I just barely have 34 and 3/8 inch clearance under my countertop. I am also about to install wood flooring of 3/4 inch. When I take up the old floor and underlayment, I will get back about 3/8 of an inch, so if I assume I am starting with 34 and 3/4 and I add the 3/4 inch wood floor, I am down to 34 inches clearence if I am lucky. I am wondering if this Bosch will fit at that point.

I want something very QUIET. The maytag I have was listed as quiet in the year 2000. it is a jetclean with eq plus sound package, but it is too noisy for me.

The Bosch noise wise is perfect at 48db rating. I also understand they are pretty reliable. Here is the root of my question. Some appliance dealers that carry both in my area are recommending Miele to be safe on the clearance. Well Miele in the same quietness, if you can even figure out what that is using the Q ratings, will cost me roughly twice the price.

Can I ask if anyone has experience putting the Bosch into a tight enclosure, and if it worth the extra expense to go with the Miele (Optima Q3 or Excella Q4).

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Golden rule about dishwashers today: There are no excellent dishwashers today, no, not one. They are all mediocre with the possible exception of the Miele. Then you have to ax yerself whether or not its worth spending 2+ grand for dishwasher. For the money, the Bosch isn't bad. But don't buy it thinking you're getting the reliability of the Miele-- ain't happenin'. But, OTOH, the Bosch's are pretty easy to work on... unless you have to change the heater. Ugh! And count on repairing or replacing the control board in a 2 to 4 years.

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thank you again. You have a great forum. Sales people have told me that Miele reliability is the best, and they can last 20 years or more. Thought most of that was high margin sales hype, but I am beginning to wonder if I am wrong.

As you are aware, you are correct about the costs. Can you shed any light on the Miele Q ratings? I would like something no louder that 48db at a cost of no more than 1500 installed, which is nearly twice the cost of the Bosch already. I can hit that number with a Optima (Q3) but will have difficulty hitting it with an Excella (Q4) The Miele cycles also seem to be unusually long. 140 minutes?. Also, I know about needing rinse aid because of the drying methodology, but putting salt in a water softener in your dishwasher? (lol) that seems a bit excessive if not slightly snobbish.

I also here that parts are very expensive and that it is hard to find people that know how to install and fix them. Any thoughts on this? thank you again

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Get an LG, very quiet and well made. I have an LDS 5811 and I love it.

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Thanks for the response. Not that I disagree with you at all, but LG has no track record in the US to speak of. The products seem very innovative and they sure are quiet. Our refrigerator choice, was actually nearly a tie between Amana and LG, but we went withe the Amana, A recent consumer reports quick pick. It is still built here in the states, but with parts from where, I couldnt really tell you.

I believe that LG is a blend of Lucky and Goldstar in Korea. While I would never assume that LG is the same, Goldstar basically made low priced junk (IMHO) as far as I can remember.

That being said, people I know have had good success with LG appliances. I hear getting someone to repair them can be difficult, and the brand is not carried by many appliance specialists, although a few have them. They are mainly stocked and pushed by big box stores.

Again, not that there is anything wrong with that, and I thank you for the response and the suggestion.

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I have had a Miele Excella for two months. It's performance has been excellent. It cleans much better than my 7 year old Kitchenaid that the Miele replaced. The glasses and cutlery have never looked better. I have a whole house water softener so I know that water softness is not the issue. Don't be shy about using the built in water softener if you need it. After all you are paying for it.

I used my crock pot on high and it burned the food on the outside edge. I put this in the Miele and it cleaned it perfectly. The Kitchenaid would never have been able to do this.

I beleive the optima is 48 decibels, excella 46 and La perla 44. I can only hear the Excella when it is draining.

You do have to learn how to use it. The euro dishwashers clean very diffently from american ones. The miele uses very little detergent and heats the water to a very high temp.

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Yes, LG is named for Lucky Goldstar, the goldstar window units are cheaply made but the other brands they make are very nice, they make all of the window units for Sears now under the Kenmore brand, most likely most of the microwaves out there are made by LG also, as are the french door friges with the GE name on the front, never know who has made what these days....

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Also, I know about needing rinse aid because of the drying methodology, but putting salt in a water softener in your dishwasher? (lol) that seems a bit excessive if not slightly snobbish.

Well it really cuts down scale residue if you have hard water... if your tap water is soft, you don't need to bother yourself with the softener after filling the tank with water. You CAN use salt even then, only on softer water you don't need to add so often.

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thank you all for your responses. How sure are you on the DB ratings if estimates if I may ask? If the Optima is 48, it should do us well at about $1400 vs $800 for the 48 db Bosch. I listened to a Miele Diamante that was a Q2 rating, and that sounded a bit noisier than the Bosch.

Thank you again

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kevm wrote: Hello,

We are in the market for a new DW. We were loking at Bosch, best buy shu66c06uc best buy in consumer reports, however I just barely have 34 and 3/8 inch clearance under my countertop. I am also about to install wood flooring of 3/4 inch. When I take up the old floor and underlayment, I will get back about 3/8 of an inch, so if I assume I am starting with 34 and 3/4 and I add the 3/4 inch wood floor, I am down to 34 inches clearence if I am lucky. I am wondering if this Bosch will fit at that point.

You need to to be POSITIVE that it will fit, and remember it MUST be pulled out from under the counter for many repairs. Get this issue worked out before you buy anything or build anything.

See if the retailer will let you have a copy of the installation reqirements.

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Thanks Nick,

The Miele's are all quite adjustable. The Bosch is much less forgiving.

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I've been in houses where they added flooring and made it impossible to remove the appliance. It's a sad state to have to remove a marble counter top or a slate floor to service a dishwasher. Although, it does make for a real short repair visit, because "homey don't play that game".

Nick

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