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 Posted: Sun Sep 11th, 2005 08:11 pm
   
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I have a GE profile dishwasher, GSD4020. All of a sudden the dishes weren't coming clean and the detergent was smeared down the side of the door as if it just dribbled out of the cup. I find that there is water coming into the dishwasher but the tub never fills it just instantly drains out. There is a steady flow that comes from the fill port when it is trying to fill.

 

Thanks for any ideas,

Mike

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 Posted: Sun Sep 11th, 2005 09:13 pm
   
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Changed the drain hose lately? Sounds like the water is either siphoning out or getting sucked out. More on dishwasher drainology here:

http://fixitnow.com/2003/02/appliance-tip-of-day-dishwasher.htm



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Mine is doing something similar (not clean, detergent down the side of the door...)

I'm thinking it's getting the water it needs... when I run it with the door open, I'm seeing it fill, and drain (but I'm not sure if it drains 'out' or just into a lower area...). Regardless, the spray part doesn't seem to have enough 'juice' to work... it's pushing some water up (which makes me think it's not really drained out, just into the area needed to 'pump' it up).

Mine is a GE too (until I started reading on this site, I honestly didn't know - and I promise I won't buy another - and it's the only 'GE' appliance I have...). It's the Triton Quiet Power II.

Try running yours while watching it... might be the same problem (in which case we can work through it together : )

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hmmm... ok, looking at it... it really is just like any other dishwasher (it doesn't put the water into another 'pool' to wash with : )

so, I guess mine is just draining out too? But not instantly... just close to it : ) Not even sure where to start looking... but it looks like we are both in the same boat : )

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oops... wish I could 'delete' posts : ) fill valve shows no continuity... funny that it filled some, just maybe not all the way : )




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Angella wrote:
fill valve shows no continuity... funny that it filled some, just maybe not all the way : )

Make sure your meter is set on RX10 or RX1K to check resistance of a solenoid.



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it's on the lowest setting (digi - I think it has 20, 200, 2k, etc.)

reads near 0 touching probes, so I think it's working properly. Shows infinity (1) on the part.

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You totally missed my point. :? Re-read my post.



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I thought you meant to have the ohms set to 10 or 1000 (I assumed that's what rx10 meant? : )

I'm looking at a pic of a similar meter online - it has 10 and 1000... I was using the smallest, so it must have been 10.

It doesn't make any sense that I'm not seeing resistance... but my 'good' multimeter is out of commission, and I'm not sure I trust this harbor freight one. The quicky test of touching the probes worked... but it doesn't give me much confidence : )

I'm going to play with the float a little more tonight when I get home... I'm definitely missing something.

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oh, here's a clear pic (the one I found earlier wasn't very good : ) of a similar multimeter...

grandpa's an electrician, and I wired by 60 gallon air compressor into my breaker box with him on the phone in florida... but I still stumble through using a multimeter for more than testing my car battery : )

I'm not afraid to try to fix anything... my car has been running for 3 years now with the new head gasket I installed... but I definitely don't know what I'm talking about : ) I'm a computer programmer by trade - gimme some 0's and 1's and I can make sense of it : )


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forgot attachment

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We do, in fact, seem to have the same exact problem. I'll keep you posted...

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Angella, re-test the coil with your meter set on 20K in the ohms section.



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reading about 1.16...

a little different from using the 200 setting : )


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So that's 1.16 K-ohms = that's a good valve...electrically. Now, you have to see if the valve is getting 120v. These are live tests, meter set on V~ 200, we're looking for about 120v. If you have this at the wires that connect to the valve coil, then replace the valve. If not, then we need to go back to the float switch and pull that spoon out from under the float inside the dishwasher.



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I took apart the float and held it down... just to make sure it wasn't something like that : )

117.?... power to it looks good (but finding a good ground wasn't easy : )


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Angella wrote:
power to it looks good (but finding a good ground wasn't easy : )

Shouldn't need to look for one-- you have two wires that go to the solenoid coil, put one probe on each wire. You'll likely get the same results, but worth repeating anyway. I've seen enough weird electrical stuff that it's better to measure twice and order parts once, rather than vice versa. Hey, a new Samurai Law of Appliance Repair, "Measure twice, order once." Cool. :dude:



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approx. same reading (116-118)

a local places says they'll 'bench test' the part... I'm going to run it over at lunch and see what they go through (I'll watch them closely - I've taken car parts in often enough to know when they don't have a clue : )

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well, unfortunately it doesn't look like it's the fill valve... dad picked up a new one today (I guess he was off work?) and installed it... same problem...

it really looks like it's kicking into drain mode too early... maybe that's really the problem?

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   The force is telling me if you pull your motor and pump assembly you'll find the drain flapper in wrinkled and out of shape.  As soon as you get a little water in the pump it flaps over by itself and drains your dishwasher.  

     You can test this an easier way first if you like.  Remove the two wires to the drain solenoid, run the machine and see what it does.  I'm predicting it will do the same thing it is doing now.   Look down your garbage disposer if you have one and see if you your dishwasher is draining water with no wires connected to your solenoid.

     Another easier way than pulling the pump to see the flapper would be unscrew the spray arm hub from inside. Have a helper push the drain solenoid under the dishwasher while you look down the pump outlet from inside.   When you finally put your eyes on that wrinkly drain flapper be sure and let us know. 

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