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The freezer is building up ice at the top of the door where the icemaker is located.

I replaced the defrost timer. The heater comes on ok, I can see it glow & water drips when it's on (normal)

I replaced the door gasket.

I adjusted the temps to make freezer a little warmer & refridge a little colder.

Still builds up ice (year round) not just hot muggy weather.

It's 12 years old.

Any ideas? Thanks.

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Is the ice clearish and solid or white and fuzzy? I'd the former, it's a water leak; if the latter, it's an air leak. Do tell.



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Thanks for the post.

It's clear & solid. There are drips from the "roof" of the freezer, inside & just above the ice maker, and there seems to be air that blows across the drips & then the ice forms on the lip of the freezer, where the door gasket comes in contact & also on the door lip that goes into the freezer area.

Do you think there is a water line running up the door & thru the top hinge & into the freezer?

Looks like a plastic line at the bottom hinge of the freezer door.

I had a water leak a couple of years ago that was in the back lower corner of the freezer. There is a valve there where the water comes in and I replaced the valve & water line.

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Can you get some pictures of the ice and water you're describing and post them online? You can upload them to a free image hosting service and then post the links here so that we can see the photos.

One easy experiment you can try is to simply cut off the water to the icemaker. This would be most reliably done at the saddle tap valve that supplies water to the refrigerator. But you could also just turn off the ice maker if yours has an on-off switch.



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http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/froggy47/Freezer%20pics/IMG_1607.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/froggy47/Freezer%20pics/IMG_1608.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/froggy47/Freezer%20pics/IMG_1609.jpg

 http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/froggy47/Freezer%20pics/IMG_1610.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/froggy47/Freezer%20pics/IMG_1611.jpg

Here you go. I will clean it all up/defrost and try shutting the water off at the wall behind the unit. There is a shutoff valve.

The build up happens in 1 to 2 days and then seems to "level off" and not get any bigger.

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For some reason the pics do not post to the forum, they are hosted on photobucket. If you click on them I think the pic will display.

 

 

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Good pictures! What you have is fine.

I think you're still looking at some type of problem related to the ice maker. As an experiment, let's shut off the ice maker for a few days and see if the problem goes away. This could be something related to the evaporator fan blowing air across the ice maker or some other problem related to the ice maker.



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froggy47 wrote: ... I replaced the door gasket. yes, but did you test the Door Gaskets after installation ? Gaskets on both Doors ? the Doors may be skewed, etc .. Try the George Wa$h1ngton test. Close the Door on George and take him for a ride around the Door Gaskets and check to be sure he stays snug.



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Good points, Reg!



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Yes, I tested the door, there is an equal slight drag on the bill all the way around.

I did not replace the ref. side, those gaskets are expensive!!!

I don't "think" a new gasket on the ref. side would stop that overnight ice build up. 

I am thinking I have a leak related to the water feed to the ice maker.

BTW the ice maker works fine.

I will shut the water off & test for a few days.


Thanks all.

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In post 3 I mentioned that I had a water leak in the back of the unit where the water goes into a control valve on the ref.

Very "hard" water in SoCAL 

If shutting off the water stops the buildup, then I think I need to replace the water tubing that goes up to the ice maker.

That would seem a logical diagnosis, if the test proves true. Do you agree? I know I'm jumping ahead a bit, not having done the test yet.

But I did have that previous leak in the back with the water tube.

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froggy47 wrote: I did not replace the ref. side, those gaskets are expensive!!!

I don't "think" a new gasket on the ref. side would stop that overnight ice build up.

is the Fridge side good ?

if the Freezer air is circulated into the Fridge,

then the same (leaky) Fridge air gets circulated into the Freezer thru the Return Vent ...



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I will check the fridge side, good point.

Both sides have a similar pretty good seal. I just rechecked both sides.

The new freezer gasket, was an oem replacement & correct part # but seems to be made slightly different. the width of the sealing surface is narrower & they added a "skirt" to make it look the same width as the original.

The very localized formation of ice has got my attention the most.

I dumped the ice to force it to make new ice (run water). I am going to try to "catch" it while the ice tray is filling.

I have a theory that it leaks a lot when the line is pressurized with water & then just a little when the valve shuts the water off from filling the ice tray.

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Is there a way to trigger the water flow to the ice maker?

I know it's waiting for a correct temp & the arm must be down indicating low ice in the holder.

Any other parameter to satisify to make the water flow?

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Sorry for all the posts.

The water line feeds the icemaker & feeds the "thru the door" water dispenser.

Do you guys know if it is always pressurized?

There is a valve at the "thru the door" where you press a cup & get water.

Is there a valve AT the icemaker also or is the one at the back of the unit for the icemaker?

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It looks like there may be 2 separate water lines. I don't have a complete exploded parts diagram only a partial.

Do you have a parts diagram that shows if it's one or two water lines?

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froggy47 wrote: ... Any other parameter to satisify to make the water flow?
IceMaker mold must be empty of Ice ... :)

when the IceMaker mold reaches about +15F, it'll "harvest" it's ice and will re-fill with water.

Water lines not under pressure unless either Coil of Dual Water Valve (behind Fridge) is energized.

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froggy47 wrote: ..The very localized formation of ice has got my attention the most...

OR, all of that humid air collects at the coldest spots



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I have shut off the water at the wall where it is tapped to feed the fridge. Dry as a bone back there.

There is a water line that runs from lower left corner to just to the right of the top center (all this external & on the back of the fridge)

 

I believe this is a direct feed thru the back wall of the freezer to feed the ice making tray.

There is another water line that goes into the fridge section thru a large plastic "W" shaped resevoir (cools the water) and then (I think) goes some where across the bottom of the fridge, up thru the lower door hinge & up some more into the "thru the door" water dispenser.

 

Having traced all that, IF I AM CORRECT, there is NO WATER LINE near where the ice problem is occuring.

Hmmmmmm

Here is a new theory. The system of filling the water into the ice tray looks like an "open" system. By that I mean the water is free to "splash around" inside the freezer & ice maker area.

 

What if there is TOO MUCH water pressure each time the ice maker tray fills & some excess water sprays or splashes out of the water feed area and then is more or less instantly frozen to the insides of the freezer in the spots I provided pictures of?

That would account for the frozen drips that hang from the top "ceiling" of the freezer section. Maybe a fine mist of water overspray is happening each time the ice maker runs. We use lots of ice so it runs every day and when I empty the ice to pack a cooler it would probably run eight cycles (trays) or more to fill up the ice "bucket".

Is that not possible or is it possible???? I replaced the water valve in the back about 2 years ago when it leaked. IIRC that IS about the time that the ice build up started. What if the calibration of flow on the valve is different from the original?

I could "throttle down" the flow a bit with the valve on the wall that I used for shut off.

 

I will post tomorrow & say if there is any ice formation during a 24 hr test period.

If there IS some with zero water then it's not a water problem.

Thanks guys.

Have you ever seen where there was too much pressure during filling of the icemaker?

 

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My thinking with shutting off the water was not so much to eliminate the possibility of water leaking from the tubing, but rather to eliminate the possibility that air from evaporate or fan is blowing across the water in the icemaker tray and splattering all over the inside of the freezer. It's still worth shutting the water off the ice maker for a few days just to see if the problem goes away.



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I took a peek (this is after about 12 hours of water off) and there is some "snowy" ice forming up so far & none of the more solid "ice cube" type ice.

 

Something is still going on. I thought I would see nothing.

 

Argggggggg.

 

Will post some pictures tomorrow of whatever is there.

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