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Thanks for that tip about checking the compresser amp draw.

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1) Out of curiosity and before your last email response I did check the resistance between the compressor pins this morning way after it had cooled down and the compressor still lacked continuity as desribed before.

2) Bought a new fridge last night about 9 pm at Lowes and they provided  next day delivery free (and they did deliver today) so we can salvage some of our food.

3) Delivery guy told me a whole bunch of people in my town had their freezers and fridges destroyed by the lightning in our area.

4) I plugged new fridge into a 1500 joules surge supressor - maybe it will help..  

5) My multimeter only does DC current measurements so need to upgrade to be able to do AC current measurements. However it does do AC voltage.

 

 

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if you have a Harbor Freight Store near you

sometimes on sale... bring print-out to store 
 

click on picture 96308   $ 12.99

 

 
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If you have a Harbor Freight near you, they have inexpensive clamp meter that work great....I'm sure Master Reg. has a link for one.



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I love Harbor Freight - it is my favorite store. Prices are usually low and when on sale just about the best  prices anywhere. They also carry some unusual and hard to find items.

Thanks for Coupon, bound to use it.

Care to spectulate on using a surge protector for fridge - could it damage the fridge ?

I am suspecting lots of modern day appliances are going bad because of power surges.

 

 

 

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So kind for coupon - bound to use it. Thanks much.

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surge protector for Fridge couldn't hurt ..

some power lines are "noisier" than others..

suburban homes (far between)

and farm homes (farther between)

but won't help much with lightning ..

 



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Our new Fridge is a Whirpool ET1CHEXVq03 and I think it has the relay + capacitor + overload for the compressor.
When the fridge breaks and compressor does not run because one of those 3 are broke I want to test the compressor by measuring it's current draw.

1) I suspect I can do that if there is a OK to use 3 in 1 device for that machine. If so can you supply part number ?

I heard the 3 in 1 device is NOT ok to use for many machines especially modern ones. Is that true or were they refering just to the "relay + overload Emraco system" or if its spliced in permently ? Is it ok to use the 3 in 1 just for testing purposes as oppossed to splicing it in ?

2) An alternate approach is to buy now and have on hand the relay and capacitor and replace the defective one to get the machine to run. The overload I can temporaraly bypass by hard wireing red wire to proper compressor pin.

3) Other suggestions ?

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You sould be able to use the Clamp AMP meters with the original Start Relay / Overload ..

Usually they're called 3 in 1 Hard Start Kits .. for a reason.

Usually only used temporarily till an exact replacement Start Relay/Overload can be found,

OR if the Compressor is on it's last legs and won't start/run with original ..

 

 

 



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Not sure I understand your response -

So I should buy the 3 in 1 to get compressor going 

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J.C. Beat wrote: Not sure I understand your response -
for old Fridge ?

for new Fridge ?

why would you need it ?



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For new fridge - I want to be ready when it goes out.

I have subsequently learned there is a special test chord that lets you by pass the overload, relay, capacitor and start the compressor, but this sounds equivelent to a 3 in 1 for my purpose.  So this is a third choice.

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just get a spare Start/Relay/overload

you can measure current draw with the origal parts installed ..

Compressors don't usually go bad.



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Why not the special test chord approach - seems like a good tool to have - are they expensive ?

I think it could test compressor anp draw even if any of  overload, capacitor, relay is bad ?

 

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J.C. Beat wrote: .. I think it could test compressor anp draw even if any of  overload, capacitor, relay is bad ?

and those normally don't go bad, either .. 10 years or more ...

test cord can be made as shown,

it's just a cord with a momentary switch and a fuse

.. maybe if you're a serviceman , etc...



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Do you know where you can buy such a test chord or a diagram or explanation of how to make one. ( I am not a repair man)

This is what I want to be able to do, but cant seem to get a straight answer.

The Fridge is brand new but when it goes down (and it will) I want to be able to bypass the overload, capacitor, and relay and get the compressor starting (if still OK)  and test the compressor amp draw.

 

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J.C. Beat wrote:  a diagram or explanation of how to make one.

two diagrams shown on page 1 of this thread ...

ahhh, you're a grasshopper, you can't view internal attachments ..

check back in a few minutes ..


 



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Compressor Test Cord Diagram is from SubZero 506 Service Manual



 

 

 here's one from Amana Service Manual




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Here is a joke and I really do not want to offend anybody, so lighten up.

"What did the Doctor say to the short stature patient ?

Be a little patient."

I feel like I almost have the answer to my prayer. If so you made my day !

Recall the compressor in question has an overload, relay and capacitor, so that kinda makes me think the Amana service manual is the design to use.

How long can I run the fridge with such a design ?

What capacity capacitor ? Is it  the same as what currently on the fridge - so a call to Whirpool could help or a check of the actual capacitor rating will tell me that info.

What capacity fuses ?  10 amps ?

Is there anything special about the switchs ? Why do I need the switchs ? Is it because you need to flick them on/off in a certain order. All I want to do is monitor the amp draw for a few minutes.

 

 

 

 

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J.C. Beat wrote: ... All I want to do is monitor the amp draw for a few minutes.
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.. you can measure current draw with the origal parts installed ..




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Regarding the trashed 7 year old Kenmore fridge -

Recall I hard wired past the bad overload for about 40 minutes and got the compressor to cool the freezer.

The compressor never had continuity from any pin to the ground even after it died.

I am 99% certain the Embraco relay was good and have retested it after the compressor died as instructed at the Embraco website. It is a mechanical relay and I think one of the best types out there.

So what could have caused a possible excessive amp draw by the compressor ? Was it just going bad from wear and tear ? A short circuit somplace where ?  Lightning and power surge ? I know its history - but just curious about any educated guesses.

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