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 Intermittently working sporadically. Temp 0 some days.OK 5 on the bottom of the freezer and 30 on the top shelf)           32  others            Above 32 as water and Ice cubes are melting & Leaking on the floor. Today looked at the coils and just a little frost and 32 degree. Shut the unit off a minute and went away for a few hours back down to 8 degrees and cooling more , lots of frost on the coils.    Refridgerator 40 degrees on the top and  bottom of Fridge is 43 degrees. Was Manufactured 1995 , ? Condenser fan is running and the condenser is clean. Evaporator fan is running. Evaporator now seams fine and frosted not Heavy frost. Praying that it can be fixed, Otherwise new 6K to 7.5 K and dont want to do that now:X

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 Intermittently working sporadically.



Temp OK 5 degrees  on the bottom  near the coil of the freezer and 30 on the top shelf)
         
          Then when I see water Above 32 as water and Ice cubes are melting & Leaking on the floor.



Today looked at the coils and just a little frost and 32 degree.


Shut the unit off a minute and went away for a few hours back down to 8 degrees and cooling more , lots of frost on the coils.
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 What do you mean by a little frost. The whole coil is supposed to have a slight frost on the coils. Sounds like your compressor is not running all the time. Could be cold control or starting unit for compressor.:java:



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 Model number:  KSSS42QDX02

During the periods when the unit is warming up, are the evaporator fan (the one in the freezer) and the condenser fan (the hot, dirty, stinky one by the compressor) still running?




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 Yes all fans are working.


Now nice frost all over the coils.

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Take a picture of the Evaporator Coil when it has "lots of Frost"

How long does the Compressor run ?  normal  = 30% to 50%

OR "forever" ?

Does the Condenser Fan run (when the Compressor runs) ?

Are the Condenser Coils clean ?

Does the Evaporator Fan run (when the Compressor runs) ?

 

 

 



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 Take a picture of the Evaporator Coil when it has "lots of Frost"


I will see if it build up , now darn it's above 30 degrees on the bottom, and that picture is the same, just frost in the rear and slight frost all over.

How long does the Compressor run ?  normal  = 30% to 50%

OR "forever" ?   Yes seams like forever.

Does the Condenser Fan run (when the Compressor runs) ?  Yes

Are the Condenser Coils clean ?   Yes

Does the Evaporator Fan run (when the Compressor runs) ?  Yes
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 edit :  normal  = 30% to 50%  1 hour ON, 1 hour OFF

If it runs "forever", and doesn't cool, it may have a Sealed System leak

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 Yes 40 degrees on the bottom now, coils all defrosted looking like silver and dripping water again & 33 degrees on the Top Shelf Must be better insulation above.


Back from taking the dog out.


Both Fans are Off now??? Now back on ` 1 hour shut off ! Now Back on again.

44 degrees on the bottom of the Freezer

33 on the top shelf.


Will see how long it will stay on now before it goes off. 

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 BlueIceCPA wrote: ... just frost in the rear and slight frost all over.

Is it evenly frosted or do you see  clump of heavier frost and then lighter frost spread over?




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 No once it was defrosted, when it got going again , the back ~ 1/5th got very nice frost then the balance a light frost. You can see it in the picture above. That was the best it frosted up, see in the rear how nice it is. Seamed to stay on ~3 hours and worked correct. Then it Allowed the Coils to melt and the Temp back to 44 on the bottom. Now back on it's going below 10 again ~ 40 minutes after it's back on again, will see how low and what time .. This picture shows ~ 1/3rd getting nice coils frosted , not 100 %??? Now this Monday AM -5 on the Bottom and 12 on the Top Shelf Freezer.Same kind of Frosting in the Picture.

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 The frost appears O.K.  If you have long   off cycles,  than long run  times, it could be a bad cold control..... It has to run long enough to bring the temp. down and  then the cold control is not closing soon enough. Temps. rise  higher than normal, then cold control finally closes.... P.S. check the terminal connections at the main switch, behind the front grill..............................
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 Home from work.

Back to warm.

Picture shows bottom silver, shinny and wet.

Top has some frost still on it.

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 Bottom Silver , shinny & Wet

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 The Frost pattern doesn't look good to from here ....

It should be evenly frosted after about an hour of Compressor run time...



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 Looks like you have a sealed system problem. Likely very slow low side leak. The fix usually involves a new compressor, evaporator, heat exchanger, pan heater loop, and drier filter. Plus you'll need a wheelbarrow full of money, unless it's under warrenty.

The curse of the built-in appliance...

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 A chance that I just recharge the Freon to get 1 more year out of this ?

 

I agree 2-3K vs 7k new one with warranty and better green economy.

 

This one was built in 1995 so 14 years I should be happy !

 

Should I change to a Sub Zero will that really last 18 years ?
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 BlueIceCPA wrote: Should I change to a Sub Zero will that really last 18 years ?
known for the same problems ....



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 nickfixit wrote:

The curse of the built-in appliance...


Indeed! Never buy an appliance that you're married to either because of the installation or because of how much you paid for it.



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 Yes "The Curse of the built in~ Still so much cheaper than expanding the Kitchen :}

Again this AM

Bottom -8 and to 12 degrees.

Frustrating the cycling it seams to work some time.


SO could it possibly be a "cold control" is the "The Thermostat ~ $59.00"?
                                                                          "The Diffuser ~ $156.00" ?
                                                                           "Timer Defrost ~ 37.00"


Seams like the "Sealed System" is working some of the time correctly.

So What tell it what to do seams like the problem?

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