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 Posted: Tue Mar 17th, 2009 01:38 pm
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Yours does not appear to be a simple control problem but appears to be a bad sealed system. This the coil shown in your photos, the copper tubing supplying it, the compressor, and the refrigerant (with other stuff that we don't need to go into). You'll need to hire someone to fix this unless you feel like climbing a steep learning curve. Get recommendations for anyone you hire-- the bill will be expensive but that's OK if the work is done right. You want someone who's good, not cheap.



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I am OK with having the Sealed System Fixed.

I see that I am 14/15 years and now at the Half Life, this has been great running flawless for that time and otherwise in great shape.

I am Frugal and like keeping things longer. Even if I put $2000-$2500, no sales tax on Service . I would think in 3 to 5 years I will redo the Kitchen  $40K-70K and replace all appliances then. That will make it 20 years or so between it.

So If I have the "Sealed System " refurbished, should I also replace other thing as a precaution. Whats next to fail besides the Sealed System that I might want to get fix now for 3-5 better years.


The two fans ?
Thermostat
Diffuser
Capacitor
Timer/Defroster
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If you want  three to five  more years and then replace the whole unit ,I would replace the evaporator and the heat exchanger...If the compressor has not been over heated,  I.E. condenser coil cleaned regularly....  Two plus years on the repair on this model with this same repair.............( evap and heat exchanger )$ 800.00.........  Three plus years on this model with a new compressor, heat exchanger, evap, timer, triple sweep the system.$ 1700.00..... (The condenser had never been cleaned/cleared in 10 years, compressor over-heated)  Tell me what state you are in and I will do it for $2500.00  ( tounge in cheek).. Some folks are on tight ( I mean tight with a capitol T ), they just want the refer to run run as long as possible for the least amount,,,,Process tube, evac system, recharge ,  button it up..$250.00...........Following  the E.P.A. guide lines

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Northern , Illinois.

Thanks ,

PS Tomorrow Wed's I have a Technician coming over ABT was the Retail Store I purchased it from and their Service Department is coming over for free as they came a  few weeks ago to look at it, the Fan on Top was stopped uggggg. SO let me know if any more things I can replace as I continue to go fourth to find " Truth & Wisdom" as I am still alive on this Great earth.;)


Frugal Choice #1 Process tube, evac system, recharge ,  button it up..$250.00...........Following  the E.P.A. guide lines

Sounder choice #2
Three plus years on this model with a new compressor, heat exchanger, evap, timer, triple sweep the system.$ 1700.00..... (The condenser had never been cleaned/cleared in 10 years, compressor over-heated)

More Stuff to do ? Fan replacements ?Other things that might also go wrong in the next few  years to get 6 more    from 14 to 20 ?

 Luckily Employed Wife & I 28 years going strong with great Company's.  No sign of distress with these two.

Eying more toys for the Boat soon Walleye, Sauger and Saugeyes in the rivers. One more week with CPA stuff and a break for 5 days on the Illinois river, back for a 10 day push and year 29 is closed!;)


Thanks Again seams like I can refurbish this baby for a few more years.

 
Thank you I have nice sound choices.



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You say you found a condensor fan stopped???

If so, it could have been stopping intermittantly and be the cause of all your problems.

I find it hard to believe it's a sealed system problem myself considering the good complete frost patterns your getting then it goes completely no frost.

It seems everytime you've turned the unit off and let it set and cool off for a while when you turn it back on you have the -8 to 12 degrees within a few hours of running.   If the sealed system were low on freon you wouldn't be getting down to those temps.   Then after getting the good frost pattern and cooling good the compressor begins to overheat from the condensor fan not operating and the evaporator starts to warm up and your temp get way to warm again.

You might want to cancel the service call and replace the condensor fan yourself and see if that fixes all of your problem.

I'm not a sealed system specialist by anymeans and don't work on sealed systems, but the only other thing I could think of causing your problem is moisture in the system possibly freezing in the capillary tube and causing a restriction in the system.  That could explain the somewhat randomness of the problem.

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One Other thing is I only turned the unit off a minute and rebooted it a week ago, I wanted to see what it is doing on "Autopilot " I have not turned it off since. I see it Alive ......... most times :}


Condenser fan has been working fine ??? Since it has been cleaned of pet fur and dust a few weeks ago.......maintenance, I see this why now it is important...


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is this foam oily?

Attachment: heat exchanger.JPG (Downloaded 41 times)



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Yes moist & Has a green tinge to it ???

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BlueIceCPA wrote: Yes moist & Has a green tinge to it ???

 good observation, denrayr


that could be the source of your leak.

moisture gets trapped and causes corrosion ...

take a look ..


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SO back to a $2400.00 Sealed System Refurbishment :}

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cut the foam away (you could always replace if needed)

 

maybe just repair the leak, evac & recharge ...

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will look into that , but if it behind the liner, the fix would replace the copper line to the compressor?

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I'm not a sealed system expert,

but the leak may be able to be "soldered" or "cut and spliced" like when some service valves are installed ...

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BlueIceCPA wrote:
they came a  few weeks ago to look at it, the Fan on Top was stopped uggggg.


I had asked about stopped fans early on in this topic and you replied, "Yes all fans are working." A condenser fan that stops intermittently will absotootly cause the problem you're seeing. Since we're not there at the refrigerator, we have to rely on you to give us accurate and complete information. Our help is only as good as the information you give us.

So, I ax again:

During the periods when the unit is warming up, are the evaporator fan (the one in the freezer) and the condenser fan (the hot, dirty, stinky one by the compressor) still running?



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6:00 AM warm 40 degrees when I woke up and both fans stopped:{

9:00 AM -10 degress and both fans running fine :}

damn cycle problem


compressor a very low level hummmmmmmmm

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BlueIceCPA wrote:
6:00 AM warm 40 degrees when I woke up and both fans stopped:{


40F in which compartment? If the beer compartment, this may have just been a defrost cycle. If the freezer compartment, we may be honing in on the problem. Did you happen to notice whether or not the compressor was running during this warm spell? That's an important clue: if the compressor is running when the condenser fan is stopped, then it's a bad condenser fan.

When the boyz came out before, did they replace the condenser fan or just flick it to start it running again?

If it wasn't replaced, then in accordance with the 8th Law of the Prophecy, we need to fix the obvious problems first. And a condenser fan that stops intermittently is an obvious problem.



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I don't have a beer area in the refrigerator.
 Just a basic 42 " Side Freezer and side refrigerator, the Fridge seams to be OK


Temp of 40 were in The Freezer department on the bottom of the coil.


No they flicked the fan by the compressor to get it going again after they cleaned the fur & dust.

did no notice , but I dont think so, I have been monitering it all morning and I will concentrate on those  things now.

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OK, so before we started shelling out big yen for sealed system work that may or may not fix the problem, let's replace that condenser fan.



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After reading post #24, I tell the wife  " Now you tell us about the condenser fan motor "?   I have seen condenser fan motors  start operating at the start of the cooling cycle and the slow down, spinning at half of the operating R.P.M.   The compressor starts to heat up, condenser coils heat up,  the style gets hot...... You only catch this problem by standing there and watching it.......................The  motor R.P.M. is any where from 1100 to 1300 I will look in a minute....................  XXXX  Read post 37 real close, they flicked the fan after cleaning?  All you have to do is let the blade go and a good motor starts all by itself..........Failing motor.......

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I have seen it run going on three hours ( pre 8:00 Am till now past 11:00 AM ) will soon in the next two to see when it stops and how slow,


it's still below 0 dgrees on the bottom and 20 degrees on the freeze top shelf.

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