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Kitchenaid diswasher KUDI01THBL0  Rating:  Rating
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My Kitchenaid dishwasher which is probably 8 years old can't seem to get the dishes clean!!   What ???? My previous kitchenaid DW lasted 24 years.  Yes, sigh, I have read all the threads and now understand the double meaning of the little ole Energy Star logo.
 
Model number is KUDI01TJBL0.  It fills to the appropriate level -- just under the element.  It drains perfectly.  The wash arms do not have any clogged holes.  The bottom wash arm turns slowly, only about 1 revolution per minute.  The top wash arm does not turn. Water does come out of the feeder spout mounted at the back of the washer (this is the part that fits into the upper wash arm when the top shelf is in place) but not all the time.  It only seems to flow during the rinse cycle.  The soap dispense pops open at the appropriate time.  But the soap doesn't dissolve.  The drying cycle seems OK. 
 
  The obvious problem seems to be the top wash arm which doesn't turn.  I took the shelf outside and tested the arm with the hose.  Still couldn't get it to turn.  Then, thought I had really found something when discovered the round thingy that seemed broken.  Wrong.  That's the way is should be according to a picture I found on a parts list.  And, when I use the hose to fill the arm connected to the wash arm not only does it not turn, but the water kind of leaks out of the location just under the center of the arm.  That can't be right.  Am I missing some kind of gasket???  Tried a small rubber band -- the kind they use to hold fresh broccoli together but that didn't work.  Buying a whole new arm would be pretty easy but I'm not sure it would solve the problem.
 
The other thing that bothers me has to do with the noise its not making.  It was always pretty quiet but now it seems too quiet.   I understand there are two motors, one that runs the wash/rinse cycles and one that drains the unit.  Is that right?  The draining part is working just fine.  Drains quickly and completely. 
 
Oddly, this all started happening a few weeks ago after we had a bad storm with an incredible amount of lightening.  Truly remarkable.  My neighbor who has lived here all of his 88 years says he can't remember a storm that bad in a long time.  The lights did do a weird on and off thing before going out completely.  Is it possible the motor that runs the washing part was partially damaged in a surge of some kind?  No, I do not own tool that measures electrical energy.  I do have a fence tester!  Not the same thing, huh.  Probably don't know what I'm talking about. 
 
Oh, I also have hard water.  Ran it with the half full glass of vinegar and it looks great inside. 
 
What's that little shower head thing on the ceiling of the washer???   I assume water is supposed to come out of this?  Mine had paper labels coming out of it.  When I discovered this at the very beginning of this adventure I smugly thought the machine just had a minor clog that would be easily fixed.  Well it's nice and clean now but no water is getting up there. 
 
The control board seems to work well.  I've been testing it on the normal cycle.  Maybe I should run it in the heavy cycle and see if anything is different.  Nope, tried that.  Same results as before.
 
Its probably dead, right?  Dear fiance tells me that if he find me sitting in front of it again in the middle of the night wondering about installing a new motor he will rip it out and put it on the curb. 
 
Gosh I'm just full of questions.  If you managed to read this far -- thanks!!

Heck with the milk.  There is a Smithwicks in the frig...
 

 
 
 

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i think, by your mod no. it is the TALLTUB washer  have had these get the strainer on the chopper stopped up.you will need to remove lower spray arm 4 torx head screws below it,lift off soil sep. the 1 smaller torx onthe sump and another on the chopper cover, then you see the chopper, a screen with chopper blade. If its stopped up we have to ask why. turn the blade with your finger to see if the motor turns. ive had the blades come loose. or the drive from the motor shaft to the chopper round off and the water cant get thru, to the wash impeller therfore no water no washee...

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Thanks for the reply.  I've got to figure out how to turn off the electricity to the unit before I start taking things apart and still have a place to plug in a drop light. 

 

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drop light can go onto a long extention cord....



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as Kman said is probably stopped up at the chopper blade...had one awhile back that had chicken bones, tooth picks, pop tabs, etc. looked like they didn't even bother to rake the plates clean guess they thought the blade would destroy it all...anyway good luck ..  check back

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this may be your Service Manual

note: pay attention to the page numbers on the bottom of each sheet,
they alternate left on one page to the right on the next page...

 


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:D:D:D:D

Fingers crossed but its looking, and more importantly, "sounding", great!!!  The directions were wonderful - thank you SO much - and yes, the screen behind the blade was full of crud.  It turned very easily when I was done and when I put everything back and pressed start,  presto!!  water everywhere!!  And it's back to its normal sound level.

Talk about crud.  I am a slob in the kitchen.  I snapped off the water feed tube along the back and the top shower type head was even more jammed up than I thought.   I've got to start at least wiping these dishes!!

I found a rusty old loose screw under the soil separator??? Even more interesting was something found loose under the chopper blade cover.  It looks like a milk cap but it is the same color grey of the other parts.  On the back is a number: 51263 03.  I'm pretty sure it goes somewhere but I couldn't see a logical place.

So I'll write again when the cycle is done and report on how clean the dishes turn out. 

Thanks again for the help and encouragement.   

 

 

 

 

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Yesss,  the dishes are clean.  :coolblast: You guys are the best. 

I'm so psyched I may tackle the dehumidifier next!!! 

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like I tell a lot of people...
remember, it's a dishwasher, not a garbage disposal... :groucho:

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I've used that exact same line many times myself. 
However, it's frustrating when a major manufacturer puts out a commercial like this.

http://www.truveo.com/Maytag-Steam-Dishwasher-Commercial-Cake/id/1341826509


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Also, I must remember not to put any jars with labels on them.  I found plenty of little pieces of paper down near the blade.  Not to mention the mess at the top.

Really, have to give the little machine credit for running so well under the conditions I created. 

 

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OK, good news/bad news.  Today is the third time I've taken dear dishwasher apart to clean the screen.  Good news -- after doing this it fires right up sprays water all over the place and gets dishes nice and hot and clean.  Woohoo. 

Bad news -- like I said, this is the third time.  Problem must exist with the blade that sits in front of the screen.  After reading someone else's post I'm a bit nervous about something called an "impeller"?  If the impeller is stripped then I need a new motor? 

Just so I understand, there's the blade, then the screen and then the impleller is the thing that turns the blade on the other side of the screen? 

Is there a change the blade has just dulled over the years and isn't chopping up stuff? 

Also, what is the macerator?

 

Thanks,  this is getting old but there are too many other things that need to be done to buy another dishwasher right now.

 

 

 

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The macerator is the system that breaks down or "macerates" the leftover goodies that get down into your dishwasher...i.e., the chopper/screen system in you dishwasher. Or so I'm led to believe.

I bow to the masters...it's her "chopper blade", correct?

 



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yes the blade and screen behind it are called a macerator.  the chopper as we refer to it is spring loaded onto the impeller attached to the motor. you should be able to easily remove it. i have seen where the impeller blades that the chopper attach to become rounded and don't turn the chopper anymore. get it opened up again and spin the chopper blade and using a flashlight be sure that the motor impeller turns.

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You could try replacing the chopper and check valve. See this page for details and parts links:

http://fixitnow.com/wp/2006/03/29/whirlpool-kitchenaid-kenmore-dishwasher-poor-cleaning/



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OK, will replace the macerator.  That would be easy.  But I'm not clear on where the check value is located.  The picture isn't showing me something that looks familiar.

 

 

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You should see the top of the black rubber just to the right of the macerator.  Also take a look in the hole slightky behind the macerator --- there is a screen behind the impellar.  Have had to take motor out and clean this screen on a couple of d/w..

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