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I have a Kenmore dishwasher (665.159320000) that developed a leak at the bottom of the door.  It started out as a few drops at the lower corners and an occasional deluge across the whole bottom of the door.  The water level is just at the bottom of the heater element.  I replaced the door gasket and all was well for awhile.  Then the deluge was back. 

The deluge seems to be related to how the dishwasher is loaded.  A large stock pot loaded in the bottom rack at the front was associated with the leak and today a casserole dish loaded in the front across the front of the bottom rack also was associated with the deluge.  I stopped the washer and removed the dish started up again and then no leaks.

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Placement of certain sized items will cause this, will funnel the water where the unit can leak, only thing to do is watch how these items are loaded into the racks..



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Thanks for your reply.  That certainly seems to be the case now, but the dishwasher is five years old and until recently did not leak at all no matter how it was loaded.  My wife is positive that she has loaded it the same way with no leaks in the past.

What could have changed to cause this?  Is there another gasket that could have failed.  Perhaps at the botton of the door?

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If this is a Whirlpool built unit, (Model number begins with 665.) make sure the lower rack bumpers face the door, the lower rack may be installed backwards.



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There seems to be a lower door seal. You might check that.

I have seen dishwashers leak from the way stuff is placed on the racks many times. Usually its oversized objects and stuff that causes the water to be flushed or sprayed at the door or under the door.

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That Guy wrote: There seems to be a lower door seal. You might check that.


Yes, that would make sense.  I have the parts list and the only part that resembles a lower door seal is called an Inlet, air (part no. 8269266).  Can this fail and cause a large leak?

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Last week I posted with this problem

I have a Kenmore dishwasher (665.159320000) that developed a leak at the bottom of the door.  It started out as a few drops at the lower corners and an occasional deluge across the whole bottom of the door.  the machine is five years old and only recently developed this problem.  The water level is just at the bottom of the heater element.  I replaced the door gasket and the seals under the top and bottom spray arms.  No joy.

I took off the outer door panel and can see the front of the pan.  Water splashes up the front lip at the dishwasher's left side (my right as I look at the front) in a cyclic manner.  About once every few seconds.  Occasionally it will splash out and thus the leak.  Any further advice for this grasshopper will be much appreciated.

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Gris, do not start a new topic for the same problem. Keep all your questions on this problem in this topic. Domo.



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Sorry.  I wasn't thinking it through.  It does make sense to keep it all together.

So, help!  With the door panel off I can see that the leak is not related to how the dishwasher is loaded, but rather a repeating series of little tidal waves overwashing the forward lip of the pan.  The sprayarm shows no evidence of a crack.  Do they ever develop a bad spray pattern with no evidence of a crack?

Any other suggestions are VERY welcome.  I am at a loss and am even considering calling the Sears repair people.  Please save me from that!

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Check your torx screws on your pump housing, (the lower wash arm sits on the pump housing.)  If those screws are loose it will cause leaks out the door.



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Some other things to check for dishwasher door leaks here.



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I checked the torx screws and they are tight.  I also went over everything on the list for leaks in the dishwasher and everything seems ok.  I have inspected the rotating arms and they also show no evidence of cracks.

Someone said that a plugged vent could cause the kinds of leaks I am seeing.  Upon inspection the door vent is clean, but I could not see how to disassemble it.  It is electrically operated, could it fail and cause leaks?

I am at the point of violating the first law Samurai's Ichiban Law of Appliance Repair: Never replace a part unless you have proof that the part is bad.  Which parts are the most likely to solve this leak?  I am thinking of the lower rotating arm which may have a crack that is not visible.

If I don't fix this problem soom my wife will go over to the dark side and call Sears service.

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One thing we failed to mention, is the manifold that feeds water to the spray arm directly under the upper rack, if that manifold has a broken mount or the manifold doesn't line up with the hole in the back of the tub, water will spray directly at the door instead of feeding the water to that spray arm.

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It is interesting that you would mention the manifold.  I was looking at it today and the end is a little rough.  But since it inserts into a piece that inserts into a hole in the back of the dishwasher I thought that it would not matter.  The hole in back of the dishwasher is covered with a white flapper.  There are two holes and flappers, the upper one is the one that is always used and the flapper does not close.  It is back at about a 45 deg. angle.  The lower one is closed.  I thought that this would not cause any proplems since the nozzle pushes it aside anyway.  I am tempted to start replacing parts associated with the rotating arms just to try and solve the problem.

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A little off topic, but how old is the dishwasher?

I am now in the market for a new dishwasher and had Kenmore's pretty high on the list - was wondering how they are overall.

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Kenmore is a private lablel, everything is made for them by others, would depend on who made the unit you were wanting to buy, one made by Whirlpool would be good, the prefix would be 665.  Some are made by GE and others by Frigidaire..etc...so depends on what brand you do like would tell you which one made by that manufacturer would be your choice....without knowing that the source codes mean you have no idea which brand you are actually buying when it has Kenmore on the front.



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It is about 6 or 7 years old and does a good job washing the dishes.  It is quiet and I would buy another.  It is actually a Whirlpool.  Just because I haven't figured out the leak is no reason to not buy one.  My current theory is that it is a thing at the bottom of the door called an inlet,air that is causing the leak.  I was in a Sears store yesterday and this part has a plastic piece that extends all the way across the door and pushes up against the pan when the door is closed.  Sort of a seal.  Mine is not nearly as aggressive in this sealing action so it may allow water to get out.  It is only $16 so I have ordered one and will see if it solves the leak.

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The air inlet arrived yesterday and in now installed.  It seems to serve two functions, to let air into the bottom of the dishwasher and to seal the bottom pan and the door.  The old one had splits at both ends of the seal so maybe it was defective and causing some of the leaks.  When I took off the old one there were two separate plastic tab-like pieces at each end.  The new air inlet seemed to have these tabs molded into it so I did not reinstall the separate tabs.  Was this correct?  The bad news is it still leaks.

 

So far I have replaced the door gasket, both upper and lower seals/bearings for the spray arms and the air inlet.  Now I am thinking about the vent.  I read elsewhere on the site that a plugged vent can cause leaks at the door bottom.  I suppose that if the vent is plugged that pressure could build up, especially while the washer is filling with water, and the pressure could vent out the bottom instead of through the vent.  That might explain why it leaks when it is first filled and wash cycle starts. 

 

My vent is not plugged, but I noticed that it is powered.  The data sheet shows that it has electricity applied to it for all cycles except the drying cycle.  That seems strange that the vent would be open during washing and closed during drying.  Maybe the application of electricity causes it to close.  Three questions:

 

1.   Should the vent be open or closed during the wash cycles and dry cycle;

2.   Is the vent open or closed when electricity is applied to it; and

3.    How can I test the vent for proper operation?
 
Thanks for any help you can offer.

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Help!  My wife says that I have to buy a new dishwasher if the Tsunamis don't stop. 

Anyone have any new ideas.  Something is causing the water to slosh around when the dishwasher first starts.  It only happens about once every 10 starts.  It is not the way it is loaded because it worked for five years with no tsunamis.

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In the interest of finishing this thread off I want to report the latest.  It did not leak for about eight wash cycles.  Then in the middle of a cycle the thermal fuse on the control board failed.  My grasshopper logic tells me that it might have failed just because it did, or it failed in conjunction with the failure of some other part which may or may not be associated with the occasional tsunami. 

After a month of troubles with this infernal machine my wife tells me that this dishwasher or I must go.  She sees what I describe as a reasonable commitment to fixing this machine as a deal breaking obsession.  I shorted the fuse so that the water could be pumped out.  I figured that it would pump or it wouldn't and if a part was ruined, so what.  So a new dishwasher has been ordered and this one is going to dishwasher heaven.  Unfortunalely, we will never know if the tsunami's have been permanently tamed.

Thank you all for your help!

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